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[HistorianDude]

I repeat. The US Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, is a direct repudiation of Emerich de Vattel.

The first Two Amendments alone reject his ideas three different ways!!

[DraggingCanoe]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

The US Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, is a direct repudiation of Vattel.

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/Vattelsinfluenceonframers.png (broken link)

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

yes!

As James Brown Scott has correctly stated: “It is therefore to be expected that, when terms of municipal law are found in the Constitution, they are to be understood in the sense in which they were used in Blackstone’s Commentaries; and when the law of nations is referred to, that its principles are to be understood in the sense in which Vattel defined them.”

Too bad Vattel never even mentioned natural born citizenship.

[DraggingCanoe]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

I repeat. The US Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, is a direct repudiation of Emerich de Vattel.

The first Two Amendments alone reject his ideas three different ways!!

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/VattelUnrivaled.png (broken link)

[HistorianDude]

Vattel rejected freedom of speech, supported government establishment of religion, and opposed the right to bear arms.

The Framers and Founders threw him under the bus three times in the first two Amendments.

[DraggingCanoe]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

I repeat. The US Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, is a direct repudiation of Emerich de Vattel.

The first Two Amendments alone reject his ideas three different ways!!

note the title...The Classical Foundations of the American Constitution

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[Arus]

A section discussing HIS VIEWS ON INTERNATIONAL LAW, and how he was an EXPERT on such topics. The founders relied on his issues with DEALING WITH FOREIGN COUNTRIES THAT HAD CONFLICTING LAWS.

How many times must you be told that Vattel's contribution was only to help with International Law? Do YOU KNOW WHAT International Law is CALLED in the LEGAL World? Law of Nations aka PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL LAW

"Public international law has three principal sources: international treaties, custom, and general principles of law."

That's what they turned to Vattel for. NOT about citizenship (as that is tRACED BACK To BLackstone). About how to handle TREATIES, customs and understanding the LAWS of foreign countries.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe

note the title...The Classical Foundations of the American Constitution

Read the actual Constitution.

It rejects his ideas completely three different ways in the first two Amendments alone.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe

note the title...The Classical Foundations of the American Constitution

notice how DC omits the chapter title of the pages/image he is displaying?

Notice that the passage he has posted is a SECTION ABOUT INTERNATIONAL LAW.


Notice how none of those passages have anything do with citizenship?

[Arus]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Read the actual Constitution.

It rejects his ideas completely three different ways in the first two Amendments alone.

Correct, and his beliefs also contradict the other amendments:

Vattel didn't believe in Freedom of Speech and Press. He was against political dissention and believed that NO one had the right to speak out against government.

Vattel believed that a national religion should be establish. Direct conflict of the 1st Amendment

Vattel also only believed that royalty and military could carry firearms, which is a direct conflict of what the 2nd Amendment states.



And beyond the Bill of Rights:

Vattel also believed that women were property and didn't derive citizenship except through the husband. Direct conflict with the 14th Amendment

Vattel also believed that men could kidnap women if the nation needed women, and force those women to have children (essentially force-able rape).

Vattel believed that citizens couldn't just marry any alien of whom they are in love with. And that government could intervene and stop the marriage if they govt feels that the "alien" is a danger to the country.