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View Poll Results: Is Social Darwinism a cornerstone of American Conservatism
1. Yes 7 46.67%
2. No 8 53.33%
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:39 AM
 
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So, that's the left's "mindset." Got anything but your imagination to back that up? Many of us believe that there should be a safety net for our citizens.
So sorry that you don't believe in caring for our own.
A safety net is there to catch you when you fall, not to provide a new place to take up residence.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:43 AM
 
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So then, do you think there should be no safety net at all due to the risk involved of creating chronically dependent people?
There should be a safety net with strict limits on benefits, particularly time and scope (e.g., no additional benefits for having more children, no benefits after 1 or 2 years, requirements on bettering one's situation through mandatory skills development, etc.)
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:45 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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A benefit of social Darwinism is that the poor with ability and drive can succeed. Read some of the profiles of the Forbes 400 sometimes quite a few of them came from humble backgrounds. Or the number of black professional athletes who are now multi- millionaires who are from poor backgrounds.

Under a Leftist system class mobility is nonexistent. See Cuba and N. Korea for examples.
That's not the result of Social Darwinism. A lack of social darwinism does not hamper those who want to succeed from doing so.

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Sorry, you replied before I added that last line...

What is a "safety net"? Is it Social Security, which people have paid into since they started working as a busboy or waitress from the age of 14? Is it a retrement fund, that is accessible when they become unable to work?

Or is it a birth to death support for people who are encouraged to never try, to never accomplish, to indulge in any and every pleasure without the natural repercussions that come from such indulgence?

I support the Salvation Army, who (in spite of their religious overtones) require that recipients of their safety net must work in whatever capacity they can. They cannot be layabouts, drunkards, or drug addicts, holding their hands out for succor. They must work to not only support themselves but to overcome their problems. For this reason, the Salvation Army was booted from the United Way - because they did not provide succor to all who asked. Yet the Salvation Army believes that people can achieve, can become, even in physically limited capacities - as do I.
A social safety net is in my view, is for people who have worked but have fallen on hard times, as well as medical care and social security. Yes, I know there are private charities, but I don't believe they can solve the whole poverty problem. It's just too big and not enough people are willing to give.

I do agree, by the way with the Salvation Army's approach. Welfare should ultimately be a hand up, not a hammock to lie in. But that doens't mean safety nets shouldn't exist at all. It means we have to be vigilant to make sure we're not enabling people, which even private individuals are susceptible to doing.

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A safety net is there to catch you when you fall, not to provide a new place to take up residence.
Yup. What you said. I simply support their existence because I don't believe private charities can handle the whole load.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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So, that's the left's "mindset." Got anything but your imagination to back that up? Many of us believe that there should be a safety net for our citizens.
So sorry that you don't believe in caring for our own.
No, but above is the true mindset of the left....scare tactics....

The right does not care for their own......do you have anything except your imagination to back that up?

Sorry, but I feel that after you have been told not to do something, (like give 500 million to a company that is gong under) even Bush tried to run it through....but at the last minute the Bush admin still said NO.....

Yes, safety net....what I paid into since I was 17, where is it?
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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There should be a safety net with strict limits on benefits, particularly time and scope (e.g., no additional benefits for having more children, no benefits after 1 or 2 years, requirements on bettering one's situation through mandatory skills development, etc.)
I agree, but I also don't know anyone who just wants blanket welfare. My governor just signed a strict new welfare law capping lifetime benefits at four years. Fine with me. Many liberals even agree that you don't want to enable people.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:54 AM
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"Caring for others" is the age old alibi for a government caught stealing.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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The rich are smart and hardworking, the poor are stupid and lazy. These ideas certainly seem to be very popular in conservative circles.

Social Darwinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Where do you people get this ? I have never heard
"The rich are smart and hardworking, the poor are stupid and lazy."
at any time come from the mouth of a fellow conservative , in all my life .


Conservative circles ? Please do tell where you found , where I can find , this popular circle you speak of ?
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Old 09-18-2011, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The rich are smart and hardworking, the poor are stupid and lazy. These ideas certainly seem to be very popular in conservative circles.

Social Darwinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just need to hear a few of call to abolish the Dept of Education, to know the answer.
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Old 09-18-2011, 07:07 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Where do you people get this ? I have never heard
"The rich are smart and hardworking, the poor are stupid and lazy."
at any time come from the mouth of a fellow conservative , in all my life .


Conservative circles ? Please do tell where you found , where I can find , this popular circle you speak of ?
Take a REALLY good look at this forum. People say things here they'd never say face to face. It's incredible what some people really think.
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Old 09-18-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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I agree, but I also don't know anyone who just wants blanket welfare. My governor just signed a strict new welfare law capping lifetime benefits at four years. Fine with me. Many liberals even agree that you don't want to enable people.
No one wants it, but it seems to happen. A whole segment of our society depends on a culture of multi-generational welfare and has mastered how to work it to their continued benefit.
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