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Old 09-19-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Mark Penn.

Mark Penn: Strategy Corner: Obama -- Don't Bring Back Class Warfare



As the man says, higher taxes poll well, but when it comes right down to it, the people understand that more spending, more taxation is the WRONG path.

But this has been his strategy and tactic from the start - divide people by race, class, gender. What a divider!

Obama has tacked to the Left even more, but it is not the Left he needs to worry about. The Left can never win elections on their own.

This lurch pretty much assures a GOP win.
You are kidding, right? Obama is no leftist by any definition of the word. This is one of those really stupid GOP lies that get repeated so often that many sheep believe it.

You tell me why those making millions of dollars per year should be paying less % tax than a $50,000 earner? It's just so totally nuts. The wealthy are paying less tax than they have in a long long time. Before you think about another GOP lie, that low taxes produce jobs just think about what you have right now in the job creation sphere with the taxes at the lowest rate in the modern era!!!!!

There is zero credibility in that stupid GOP talking point.
The truth of the matter is this. The GOP will always put class before country and have done so since the last great GOP president, Theodore Roosevelt. What we are seeing today is the fallout from the idiot "Trickle down " theory of economics.

Just the term is an insult. Can you imagine living in the richest country in the world and having the benefits of being a citizen of this great country Trickle down to you. As the riches flow like the Niagara river up to the Kings and Queens of the universe as they have referred to themselves the majority have to be content with a ever dwindling trickle.

The thing that just leaves me speechless with disbelief is how these parasites manage to convince so many of those of very modest means that they are in any way on their side, that they care a rats azz if you have no healthcare, no pension, work hard for $7 per hour or less, that your entire life of working hard has given you a home that has lost half it's value. How can the people by so utterly blind? What is it about millions of Americans that causes them to be bamboozeled for over a hundred years??? Are they putting drugs in the water? It almost seems they must be.
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Old 09-19-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Are you talking about the 50% that don't pay taxes?

Or the 10% that pay OVER 71% of taxes?




It's the Inequality, Stupid | Mother Jones
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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You are kidding, right? Obama is no leftist by any definition of the word. This is one of those really stupid GOP lies that get repeated so often that many sheep believe it.

You tell me why those making millions of dollars per year should be paying less % tax than a $50,000 earner? It's just so totally nuts. The wealthy are paying less tax than they have in a long long time. Before you think about another GOP lie, that low taxes produce jobs just think about what you have right now in the job creation sphere with the taxes at the lowest rate in the modern era!!!!!

There is zero credibility in that stupid GOP talking point.
The truth of the matter is this. The GOP will always put class before country and have done so since the last great GOP president, Theodore Roosevelt. What we are seeing today is the fallout from the idiot "Trickle down " theory of economics.

Just the term is an insult. Can you imagine living in the richest country in the world and having the benefits of being a citizen of this great country Trickle down to you. As the riches flow like the Niagara river up to the Kings and Queens of the universe as they have referred to themselves the majority have to be content with a ever dwindling trickle.

The thing that just leaves me speechless with disbelief is how these parasites manage to convince so many of those of very modest means that they are in any way on their side, that they care a rats azz if you have no healthcare, no pension, work hard for $7 per hour or less, that your entire life of working hard has given you a home that has lost half it's value. How can the people by so utterly blind? What is it about millions of Americans that causes them to be bamboozeled for over a hundred years??? Are they putting drugs in the water? It almost seems they must be.

I think you may be hearing lies but they aren't from the GOP.

Please look at the tax brackets and tell me where you find the rich paying a lower % than the poor.

2011-2012 Tax Rates – Federal Income 2011-2012 Tax Brackets

Maybe you need to have the water checked in your area.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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There shouldn't even BE AN INCOME TAX! PERIOD! The government needs to shrink by 50%. What can you say about a country that has lost all sense of where it's balls even belong when you are ready to dole out hard earned tax payer's money to children who are here illegally. LMAO! America has lots its mind. And look at all of you idiots.............fighting over which side is better or which side is this or which side is that. HELLO THEY ARE ALL IN ON IT AND YOU ARE BEING PLAYED A FOOL! Quit voting for both republicans and democrats. They are all millionaires. They are all in bed with the rich corporatists. Obama and GE? Bush/Cheney and KBR/Haliburton. The US government has been bought. Give all Americans their money back and let the states take over. The federal government needs to do two things...........provide for a strong national defense and SEAL the DAMN BORDER> Everything else should be left up to the states or better yet local community governments.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I think you may be hearing lies but they aren't from the GOP.

Please look at the tax brackets and tell me where you find the rich paying a lower % than the poor.

2011-2012 Tax Rates – Federal Income 2011-2012 Tax Brackets

Maybe you need to have the water checked in your area.
When Warren Buffet says he pays less tax% than his employees, you know what? I believe him.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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Hey, the rich Koch Brothers started it by backing movements against the middle class---teachers, fire and police and other public service workers. If the Left is pushing back, too bad.

Higher taxes for the millionaires and billionaires? Boohoo! It's about time they pay the same percentages as the rest of us.
All right, I'll bite, what percentage of a person's income is considered paying their fair share?

I hear the looney left, like 0bama, scream this "fair share" crap all day, but they do not tell us what it is, and how it will solve all our debt and deficit issues if we raise their taxes to this mythical percentage.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:47 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Because of countless deductions and credits are tax brackets our ruined and favor higher earners. Our effective tax rate is pretty freaking low comparatively so we need to raise revenue somehow.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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I think you may be hearing lies but they aren't from the GOP.

Please look at the tax brackets and tell me where you find the rich paying a lower % than the poor.

2011-2012 Tax Rates – Federal Income 2011-2012 Tax Brackets

Maybe you need to have the water checked in your area.
Earth to moron: ever heard of the capital gains and dividend rates?
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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Its been class warfare for 30 years. The lower classes were sold a false message of prosperity by Reagan. Its been subtly take money from the lower/iddle classes and give it to the wealthy.

It was started by the rich 30 years ago. When they started taking more and more while our debt ramped up. It just wasn't called class warfare. Now that the lower and middle classes finally want to fight back and its not fair. Its class warfare, its bitterness. Whatever. Boo freaking who!

Its time for the end of 30 years of wealth redistribution of the Prince John/Sherriff of Nottingham kind.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:57 PM
 
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You and your wife work your asses off at real jobs and make $150k, you pay $33091.

Some jerkoff millionaire sits on his fat ass and collects $150k of dividends off daddy's money, he pays $16005.

Try it yourself: http://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools...tors/taxcaster
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