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Old 09-21-2011, 05:59 AM
 
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Do you really not know the difference between the word increases, as it's on the way in a measurable amount, and possibly expected to increase, as a wild guess of what might happen?

Then claim it's on a report that is absent. Take the singular percentage increase and multiply it over a number of years, which is not stated in the Millman report according to the article. Add into that wild assumptions about inflation (7-8% seriously, is this journalist high). Compounded increases doesn't allow you to add all those totals together either to come up with a total percentage increase over a few years, that's why there is an equation derived to calculate it.

Not just a failure to understand mathematics, but this is just sleazy reporting.
Um, the report says
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2][LEFT]It should be noted that these increases will be in addition to regular expected healthcare inflation. The 2011 Milliman Medical Index reported 7% to 8% annual trends for the fourth year in a row.

So now quoting facts you dont want to hear is "sleazy reporting" Give it a break. Obamacare is skyrocketing premiums and the cost of healthcare just like predicted and you guys still sit here in denial supporting such failed policies.[/LEFT]
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It should be noted that these increases will be in addition to regular expected healthcare inflation. The 2011 Milliman Medical Index reported 7% to 8% annual trends for the fourth year in a row.
This statement does not exist in the article. Feel free to plug it into a ctrl-f with it open and see. Please refrain from just making crap up.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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how it feel to be wrong so often with your postings? This isnt why they are going up, this is why they are going up MORE than they should be.

Note the
The increases do not include medical inflation which has been pushing health care costs up about 7 to 8 percent a year.

In my original post
Err.. from my link ... which incdentally has links to further actual information.

"In addition, monthly insurance premiums grew by 128 percent, to an average of $1,115, and out-of-pocket spending surged 78 percent.". Notice the and there. That was a 10 yr period 1999-2009 ... wait a minute, when was Obamacare signed?
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:06 AM
 
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This statement does not exist in the article. Feel free to plug it into a ctrl-f with it open and see. Please refrain from just making crap up.
Right from the article, The increases do not include medical inflation which has been pushing health care costs up about 7 to 8 percent a year.

The information is from the report
http://www.ohioexchange.ohio.gov/Doc...imanReport.pdf

Do you not understand that a reporter is reporting on a REPORT
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:06 AM
 
Location: it depends
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I don't know about anybody else, but my health care costs WILL go up because of Obamacare. The most effective way for me to pay for my health care is a high-deductible insurance policy. That way, I could simply pay cash out of pocket for routine and minor expenses, saving the claims overhead and drag from the insurance company--which necessarily has its own layer of expenses.

Almost inexplicably, Obamacare criminalizes paying cash for routine medical expenses. Is this what our ancestors fought and died for?

And the brain-dead apologists for Obamacare act like this is a good thing-- they say everybody with insurance gets "free" annual physicals and preventive care! They must believe in The Preventive Care Fairy who makes these things possible.

Too bad Obamacare didn't include a "free" limo ride to and from all medical appointments.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:07 AM
 
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Err.. from my link ... which incdentally has links to further actual information.

"In addition, monthly insurance premiums grew by 128 percent, to an average of $1,115, and out-of-pocket spending surged 78 percent.". Notice the and there. That was a 10 yr period 1999-2009 ... wait a minute, when was Obamacare signed?
No one said healthcare costs weren't going up prior to Obamacare being signed. We are talking about how much they are going to go up OVER AND ABOVE what the "average" increase which was taking place.

Do you not understand elementary math?
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Seems to me Socialized Medicine would be cheaper. Health Care should not be the employers responsibility
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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No one said healthcare costs were going up prior to Obamacare being signed. We are talking about how much they are going to go up OVER AND ABOVE what the "average" increase which was taking place.

Do you not understand elementary math?
Where in the study does it say "over and above" what has been happening for decades. Oh, I forgot, you have no study to link to. By the way, I couldn't find it on the Milliman web site. Since they are the ones that supposedly did the study, I expected to be able to find it. Unless it's a "Super Secret" in house Taylor study.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:16 AM
 
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Where in the study does it say "over and above" what has been happening for decades. Oh, I forgot, you have no study to link to. By the way, I couldn't find it on the Milliman web site. Since they are the ones that supposedly did the study, I expected to be able to find it. Unless it's a "Super Secret" in house Taylor study.
It should be noted that these increases will be in addition to regular expected healthcare inflation. The 2011 Milliman Medical Index reported 7% to 8% annual trends for the fourth year in a row.

Do you know what ADDITION means, and who the hell said for decades.

maybe you dont understand elementary math after all.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:16 AM
 
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I agree, as do many others. But how? The AMA, Trial Lawyers Assoc., Pharm industry and insurance industry are united in the cartel and have no intention of budging. They are the "robber barons" of the 21st century. So, how do we start the castle burnings?
The "AMA" does not dictate charges, number of physicians, number or medical school or residency slots, or practice policy. It is a political lobby group, mostly left wing, composed almost exclusively of primary care docs. Most physicians are not members of the AMA.
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