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That's not true, of course he could have been adopted. We just don't know.
He couldn't have by Indonesian law.
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Wonder why he chose to deny ever being Barry Soetoro.
why would he deny something he has never been called?
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According to Illinois state filings, when Obama registered as an attorney in 1991, under the name Barack Obama, he stated he did not have any former names.
A form filled out by his step-father that is not a legal form doesn't constitute a legal change of name. Please provide the forms filled out by Stanley Obama (legal name changes are matter of public record) and in hawaii State Court, and the newspaper announcement that announces the name change (apparently you aren't familiar with the process)
why would he deny something he has never been called?
A form filled out by his step-father that is not a legal form doesn't constitute a legal change of name. Please provide the forms filled out by Stanley Obama (legal name changes are matter of public record) and in hawaii State Court, and the newspaper announcement that announces the name change (apparently you aren't familiar with the process)
I have read of several teachers and fellow students say they called him Barry, haven't you? We have his step father and mother, writing his name as Barry Soetoro. So you should show me where and when he changed his name to Barack Obama.
let's make that Barack Hussein Obama. Where did he get the Hussein from?
It is commonly given as a male given name, particularly among Shias[1], in honor of Hussein ibn Ali.
why would he deny something he has never been called?
A form filled out by his step-father that is not a legal form doesn't constitute a legal change of name. Please provide the forms filled out by Stanley Obama (legal name changes are matter of public record) and in hawaii State Court, and the newspaper announcement that announces the name change (apparently you aren't familiar with the process)
Yes, Lolo could have adopted Barry, he just couldn't renounce his U.S. citizenship. Once adopted, a child is automaticaly Indonesian, and they don't or didn't recognize dual citizenship.
I have read of several teachers and fellow students say they called him Barry, haven't you?
yes, I've been called by nickname for the better part of 30+ years. Why? Cause my name is usually mispronounced by everyone who tries to read it. So I give them my nickname. A nickname isn't a legal name. Its a name that is easier for people to remember.
so someone who's real name is Michael, but is called Mike every single day of his life, means that his name was changed to Mike?
Can you show us the Legal Name change form that was filed in Hawaii State Court and the required Newspaper announcement announcing the official name change of Barack H. Obama II to Barry Soetoro?
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We have his step father and mother, writing his name as Barry Soetoro.
Yeah so what? My school applications have my nickname (not my official legal name) on them.
School applications are not government forms. Any name can be written on them.
BTW, you don't have SA Dunham writing Barry Soetoro on any application.
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So you should show me where and when he changed his name to Barack Obama.
Can you show us the Legal Name change form that was filed in Hawaii State Court and the required Newspaper announcement announcing the official name change of Barack H. Obama II to Barry Soetoro?
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let's make that Barack Hussein Obama. Where did he get the Hussein from?
It is commonly given as a male given name, particularly among Shias[1], in honor of Hussein ibn Ali.
yes, its common given name. But nowhere does it say that it must be his first or last name. Hussein is found on his COLB.
"Article 2. (1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child."
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Once adopted, a child is automaticaly Indonesian, and they don't or didn't recognize dual citizenship.
Obama was 5 years old. He couldn't obtain Indonesian citizenship at all, no through adoption (he was already too old) and since he wasn't there when he was 18 and gave up his US citizenship (Indonesian law doesn't allow for dual citizenship) he was NEVER an Indonesian citizen.
Repeating your lies over and over again, doesn't make it true.
“The government banned Indonesian citizens from attending alien schools which meant that Indonesian Chinese could no longer attend Chinese language schools." - Page 63
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"The regime sided with the assimilationist perspective of the LPKB, instead of the integrationist approach that Baperki had propounded. Chinese Indonesians who had joined the anti-communist movement and who were close to the regime viewed assimilation as the best option. The New Order regime consequently adopted policies to eliminate the distinctions marking Chinese Indonesians from other Indonesian citizens. It banned alien schools and urged all Chinese (citizens and non-citizens) to attend Indonesian national schools." - Page 65
Chapter XIII. Education Article 31
1. Every citizen has the right to education.
2. The government shall establish and conduct a national educational system which shall be regulated by law.
Please show me where non-citizens couldn't attend school.
1) The original of that document would be considered Prima Facie evidence that Obama attended that school during that time period. The copy on line could be considered secondary evidence that he attended that school during that time.
2) It does not prove or claim citizenship. Again, there is no credible evidence in either the Indonesian Constitution or Law 62:1958 to support the claim that access to public schools were denied non-Citizens.
3) It does not prove or claim adoption.
4) It does state that Obama's birthplace is "Honolulu, USA". This places birthers like Berg in the position of having to argue that this document they use as "proof" of adoption and Indonesian citizenship, is suddenly not reliable in terms of showing birthplace.
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