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Old 09-23-2011, 09:59 PM
 
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I agree....they are all "tough" when in a big group.....or audience; however at all three debates they have behaved like an unruly mob.....driven by raw emotion, hate and anger.

Are these the type of people and candidates we want running our country??????

Are these the type of people/candidates we want commanding our nuclear arsenal.....ready to push the button during one of their temper tantrums/rants???????
It's just laughable that you think you can paint the entire audience with the same brush. No reasonable person will buy into your bias.

 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:02 PM
 
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....A U.S. soldier on duty in Iraq is booed by the "mob" at the Republican debate last night.....
The couple of yokels who booed were asinine, of course.

I don't get your "mob" reference, however.

What I heard was nowhere near a "mob".

Of course I was watching Fox and maybe they did something nefarious to make it sound like it wasn't a mob.

What channel were you watching?
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:04 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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It was about his sexual orientation which is about sex.
Gay didn't mean he had a happy disposition in this case, did it?
If you say you're a straight person, does that mean you're talking about sexual acts? Gay people can be virgins, celibate, etc, and still know they're gay - just as a virgin or celibate heterosexual still knows they're straight. So no, it's not always about SEX... it's about who you are attracted to, and one can be attracted without jumping into the sack. You guys really do obsess over the sexual aspect of it, don't you?

P.S. If being openly gay is "flaunting" and sexual, I guess straight people shouldn't wear wedding rings? And what about those photos of spouses and children on their desks? Stop flaunting your heterosexuality - it's disgusting and nobody cares!
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I would turn that question on it's head and ask - is there a military reason for them not to serve openly?


I'm sure you would.

Don't think I don't understand the value of the military to the social engineers on the left.

Not only is the military highly respected by most Americans making it an ideal sacred institution to be hijacked by the left for the purpose of redistributing respectability (see socialism) the way they hope to do with marriage, but the military is also the only group of US citizens who are prohibited from openly objecting to efforts by homosexual activists to normalize homosexuality.

It's really perfect for what the America haters have in mind. They can eff with the military and make them political pawns, work to normalize homosexuality and possibly gain back liberal relevancy which has been AWOL since the 1970s.

Most people, to include those who serve in the military, view homosexuality as deviant behavior. That alone should be enough to exclude those who engage in it from serving.

The practical matters of shared barracks and open bay showers have been discussed ad nauseam on other threads, suffice to say if women and men need to be separated, so do homosexuals and heterosexuals. It's no more complicated than that.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Look I really couldn't care less about sexuality. People are free to do and love whatever and whomever they want, it doesn't pick my pocket nor break my leg. I've had gay friends throughout my life. But in the military? I'm not sure. Time will tell, I suppose -- right? The military is free to reject people cuz they're too scrawny, too fat, too dumb, too blind, etc. It's not a charitable organization, it's actual serious business. If we find ten years from now that lesbians and gay men serving openly has worked fine, then GREAT! If we find that it has caused lots of problems then perhaps we should re-examine.
How would it be a problem, anyway? Haven't men and women been serving together since like WWII? Of course there's an occasional incident of sexual harassment or assault, just as in civilian society, but it seems to generally work out okay. And from what I've read on the DADT repeal, it's meant very little to the military people themselves... so far it's mostly just causing "ripples" in the general public, whereas the soldiers are going about their business as usual.

They are there to do a job, and I highly doubt this will change a darned thing! Gays & lesbians have been serving for many many years, and being allowed to serve openly doesn't mean they'll suddenly start raping people & holding gay orgies on base.

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Most people will say it's not in the same league, but I'm an Atheist and I have to pretend I'm a Christian in order to maintain my job. Coming out as an atheist would be a severe career-limiting move.
Dang, remind me never to move to Texas... people really care that you're an atheist? What a strange place, LOL.

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I LIKE the idea of a true "don't ask don't tell" as it relates to religion. Seems a lot more professional.
Maybe if BOTH sides have to keep quiet, but the straight folks (or religious folks in your example) would have a rough time with that. Any time your co-worker talks about their wife/husband or kids, that would be a violation... any time a man says "I had a date with this beautiful woman," that would be a violation... any time they mention going to church or celebrating Easter, violation. See how difficult that would be? Now remind yourself, this is what GLBTQ military personnel had to endure for YEARS.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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If you say you're a straight person, does that mean you're talking about sexual acts?
Pretty much!
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..and one can be attracted without jumping into the sack...
Sure, but if I'm attracted to someone I *WANT* to jump in the sack with them. Whether the opportunity ever presents itself or we restrain ourselves for some reason, attraction = I wanna fvck em.
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If being openly gay is "flaunting" and sexual, I guess straight people shouldn't wear wedding rings? And what about those photos of spouses and children on their desks? Stop flaunting your heterosexuality - it's disgusting and nobody cares!
I agree!!

Actually no, I'm cool with all this in normal civilian life. We'll see what happens in the military. I for one hope things go well and all is well. But I'm not delusional enough to think that just repealing the prior policy means it's a done deal.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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How would it be a problem, anyway?
Dunno.
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And from what I've read on the DADT repeal, it's meant very little to the military people themselves.
If that is and continues to be the case, then awesome!
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Dang, remind me never to move to Texas... people really care that you're an atheist? What a strange place, LOL.
Atheism is worse than Satanism man. At least a Satanist believes in something. I don't believe in anything. Yah, that's extremely threatening.
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...any time they mention going to church or celebrating Easter, violation. See how difficult that would be? Now remind yourself, this is what GLBTQ military personnel had to endure for YEARS.
Yah I'm talking about religion although relating it to sexual preference. Anyway, the third example you mentioned is good. I'd love to not hear about church or Easter or how we need to pray for our co-worker or whatever. That'd be swell, in the professional environment.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:25 PM
 
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I haven't gone through all of the posts so what I'm about to say might have already been said:

I'm disgusted at the booing, but in reality, it sounded like fewer than ten people. What angered me was the fact that Santorum believes that gays wanting to serve openly means that they want special privileges. He keeps saying that he would bring the military back to the way it was before which means that homosexual who even admits to being gay while serving is immediately terminated.

He also keeps saying that sexuality shouldn't be an issue in the military...I agree. My question for Santorum is, "if sexuality isn't supposed to be an issue, then will you kick out heterosexuals who are married or admit to their sexuality?"
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:26 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Most people, to include those who serve in the military, view homosexuality as deviant behavior.
Maybe in your narrow-minded world, but society as a whole does NOT agree with you... even if they don't support gay marriage, most sane people aren't concerned with what others are doing in bed. I rarely (in real life) come across somebody who thinks homosexuality is "deviant," and that includes when I've lived in places other than California. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the majority of folks realize sexuality is irrelevant to whether or not you're a good person.

I don't recall them asking for your permission to BE gay, nor for your approval. They are only fighting for equal rights, but people will still be GLBTQ regardless of the laws on marriage, military, etc. You have absolutely no say in the matter, so you should probably just give up already. And if you don't like it, simply don't do it - easy, huh?
 
Old 09-23-2011, 10:37 PM
 
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Dunno.If that is and continues to be the case, then awesome!
I have a feeling this will be a non-issue soon enough, just as it was when the military (and schools/workplaces) became co-ed, integrated, etc. It's a little weird for some at first, but eventually nobody will even notice. People are just people when it comes down to it, ya know?

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Atheism is worse than Satanism man. At least a Satanist believes in something. I don't believe in anything. Yah, that's extremely threatening.
Some people are threatened by anything they're not used to, especially when it might challenge their own beliefs... just as with homosexuality, I think the ones who protest loudest are questioning themselves the most. I've seen it played out time & time again, so this isn't just speculation.

I mean, if you're SECURE in your sexuality or religious beliefs, why would you care what other people think? When the guy I'm dating was comfortable talking about my gay & transsexual friends, not even flinching when I got graphic, I knew I'd found a secure man... and this is a 6'5" 300lb ex-NFL lineman, for the record.

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Yah I'm talking about religion although relating it to sexual preference. Anyway, the third example you mentioned is good. I'd love to not hear about church or Easter or how we need to pray for our co-worker or whatever. That'd be swell, in the professional environment.
As a Jewish woman myself, I too get sick of hearing about Christmas, Easter, etc... it's only September, and my boss is already planning our Christmas display! But I don't really care, since I'm also free to talk about my holidays & beliefs - so at least things are fair.
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