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Old 09-24-2011, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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And how many do you plan to replace every week/month because "they lost them" or dropped them or they got stolen ?
They did a pilot program down here and had huge success with it. My first reaction was much like you but apparently it saves an incredible amount of money and allows the teacher to get notes/information to the students much easier. I work in IT and even I raised my eyebrows at first. It really did work and that's even taking into account the damaged iPads. They did have protective cases, etc as I understand. I am seldom surprised but I was indeed surprised when I saw the numbers and evidence of how much money this move saves.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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I agree. It's when they join band in middle school that you need proficient music teachers. Up to then it's just theory which any teacher can absorb and teach.
Have a school band club. If they want to join, pay up or find someone willing to help pay and then hire a music teacher to direct the club.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Teaching art is easy. Have each teacher fluent in music theory before they graduate.
At the lower educational levels, this would be fine and I seem to recall it was the way when I was growing up. At the high school level, it would be appropriate to have specialized teachers.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:39 AM
 
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They did a pilot program down here and had huge success with it. My first reaction was much like you but apparently it saves an incredible amount of money and allows the teacher to get notes/information to the students much easier. I work in IT and even I raised my eyebrows at first. It really did work and that's even taking into account the damaged iPads. They did have protective cases, etc as I understand. I am seldom surprised but I was indeed surprised when I saw the numbers and evidence of how much money this move saves.
For people on the outside it sounds like a huge cost, but just think about scientific calculators. Those can easily run for $200 and middle school and high school students need those. You can get a tablet pc for about the same price that comes with a calculator on it and then get all of the other programs and applications and internet access. Schools could use free resources from the web instead of shelling out huge amounts of cash to buy books or rights to information.

Technology will eventually reduce the cost of education greatly and it is already in the process of starting.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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At the lower educational levels, this would be fine and I seem to recall it was the way when I was growing up. At the high school level, it would be appropriate to have specialized teachers.
Probably so, but it should be a club. Those who want to join can pull together the money to hire a music teacher. The same should apply to sports as well. It should all be clubs and those who want to participate should take care of the cost or look to organizations for help.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Probably so, but it should be a club. Those who want to join can pull together the money to hire a music teacher. The same should apply to sports as well. It should all be clubs and those who want to participate should take care of the cost or look to organizations for help.
At my daughter's school, it is an elective, but comes with a cost. This way the student's can still participate during the school day but the fee is a few hundred dollars and the chorus has a booster club which raises additional funds. Last year they went to New York and sang at the Met. This year to Orlando and next year, they're going to Europe. All covered by the students, fundraising, and parents. It is possible. The teacher's salaries and music is also covered by parents and fundraising.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Teaching art is easy. Have each teacher fluent in music theory before they graduate.
Easy? You know this how?

I thought teachers were supposed to be proficient in their subject matter?

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Probably so, but it should be a club. Those who want to join can pull together the money to hire a music teacher. The same should apply to sports as well. It should all be clubs and those who want to participate should take care of the cost or look to organizations for help.
Maybe we should apply that to science as well. (Sarcasm)

Come on! The arts are not "fluff".
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Easy? You know this how?

I thought teachers were supposed to be proficient in their subject matter?



Maybe we should apply that to science as well. (Sarcasm)

Come on! The arts are not "fluff".
Only core subjects need proficiency..NCLB.
Art and music are not core subjects.
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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Easy? You know this how?

I thought teachers were supposed to be proficient in their subject matter?



Maybe we should apply that to science as well. (Sarcasm)

Come on! The arts are not "fluff".
Easy because I incorporate art into my classroom and I'm not an art teacher, but I already teach art. Regular classroom teachers are not required to be proficient in music. I'm saying add a course or two before they graduate.
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Teaching art is easy. Have each teacher fluent in music theory before they graduate.

wrong, having taught art because that was my major, its not easy.

Can you teach kids about color theory? how it effects emotion?
how to use paints to create texture?
How to draw still life? Understanding lighting and shadows?
Figure out perspective?

That's not what a normal teacher understands.. and yes the above is what I learned in Elementary school (due to the accelerated courses I took).

Same with music. A teacher must understand how to read and teach music, Needs to know how to play each instrument.
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