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Old 09-23-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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PS: We are a Democratic Republic with the cancer of socialism within since the mid 60s and the great society bloated government issues.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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In addition to purposely being annoying to Democrats by calling them the Democrat party rather than the Democratic party as they have been called since their inception in the 19th century, Republicans now are so paranoid that they deny that the US is a democracy. Their mantra is, "It's a republic." Yes, it is a republic, and it is also a representative democracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive. What is going on here?
Funny in Canada all the left wingers suddenly claim Canada's not a democracy. Yet we've had three federal elections in the last 5 years .Lefties in Canada hate it when we have a conservative government.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:56 PM
 
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I understand that we aren't a direct democracy, and it would be crazy to constantly have referendums. We are a representative democracy, which means we vote for the politicians with whom we agree, and they vote on bills in the manner we thought they would. If we don't like the job they are doing, we can vote them out.

Why are Republicans in denial about this? It has nothing to do with whether we are a Republic or not.
Democracy - i.e. mob rule is something we are protected from by our Constitution.
Therefore Constitutional Republic describes the US much more accurate.

Article IV of the Constitution of the United States "guarantees
to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government".
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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You just attempted to describe what we are, a Democratic Republic.
Politicians don't always follow the will of the people as Obama and Obamacare has shown. I also agree with the other thing you said, the people will vote such deaf politicians as Obama out on his rear end.
Obama clearly stated that he wanted a single payer plan when he was campaigning. It was no secret that he wanted healthcare reform. This was one of the main reasons I voted for him. Everyone with ears could hear him saying he would work toward universal healthcare. I don't like the compromise he went to because of the Republicans, but I think it is a poor argument to say he ignored the will of the people when he clearly campaigned on this issue.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Obama clearly stated that he wanted a single payer plan when he was campaigning. It was no secret that he wanted healthcare reform. This was one of the main reasons I voted for him. Everyone with ears could hear him saying he would work toward universal healthcare. I don't like the compromise he went to because of the Republicans, but I think it is a poor argument to say he ignored the will of the people when he clearly campaigned on this issue.
MOST politicians listen to the majority of voters when they hear it. Hillary did with Bill Clinton on Hillarycare, Obama did NOT and he is going to be gone.

Obama also told us through Joe the Plumber that he was NOT A SOCIALIST and you see what we got.
So he did a LOT of bait and switching.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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In addition to purposely being annoying to Democrats by calling them the Democrat party rather than the Democratic party as they have been called since their inception in the 19th century, Republicans now are so paranoid that they deny that the US is a democracy. Their mantra is, "It's a republic." Yes, it is a republic, and it is also a representative democracy. The two aren't mutually exclusive. What is going on here?
I am surprised nobody bothered to post the source:

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The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Source: Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution
As HistorianDude pointed out; some republics are democracies, some are not.

For example, I do not think anyone would dispute that the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" was not a democratic republic.

The US happens to be a representative democracy, which is not even remotely similar to a direct democracy. For one thing, a representative democracy is suppose to prohibit the tyranny of the majority, which is common in a direct democracy.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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So if we're not a democracy, can we stop trying to "export democracy" to the rest of the world?
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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As HistorianDude pointed out; some republics are democracies, some are not.

For example, I do not think anyone would dispute that the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" was not a democratic republic.

The US happens to be a representative democracy, which is not even remotely similar to a direct democracy. For one thing, a representative democracy is suppose to prohibit the tyranny of the majority, which is common in a direct democracy.
You mean like when a socialist President tries to get a majority of less than rich people to get only the rich to pay higher taxes when they already pay the highest? Kind of sounds like that to me.
Is pushing class warfare (a tool of Democrats) actually part of a regular democracy because of the tyranny aspect?
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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I am surprised nobody bothered to post the source:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, "
It was mentioned in post #33.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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You mean like when a socialist President tries to get a majority of less than rich people to get only the rich to pay higher taxes when they already pay the highest? Kind of sounds like that to me.
Is pushing class warfare (a tool of Democrats) actually part of a regular democracy because of the tyranny aspect?
Yes. Any appeal to the majority to oppress a minority would be considered a tyranny of the majority. Representatives are suppose to be smart enough, and brave enough, to block such tyrannical demands.

Classes are transitory. Someone can be poor today, and rich tomorrow, or rich today, and poor tomorrow. Most Democrats consider "class" to be synonymous with "caste." In a caste, your position in society is set for life, and that is simply not the case with class.
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