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nothing can be liberal unless it has something conservative to compare it to as well as nothing can be conservative unless it has something liberal to compare it to.. The scale of how liberal or conservative is a matter of perception. Here's the point.. Our nation needs BOTH, it is called checks and balances. I agree that most people are purple.. very few are all blue and very few are all red... Instead of looking at what makes us different and calling the marriage of our union over.. why don't we work together more in getting things accomplished.. knowing that neither side is going to get 100 percent of what it wishes.. but isn't that the point? If you compare conservatives today to conservatives 200 years ago.. you all would have been liberals in that day.. so.. it is not a matter of black or white.. red or blue.. but rather, considering the issues at hand.. where do you fall in opinion of that issue.. to the conservative or liberal side? whether the issue is liberal or conservative.. the stance on either side is always going to encompass a conservative and liberal side. We all need each other.. so kiss and make up.. and suck it up and quit throwing our great nation away like a cheap Las Vegas Marriage.. its been tougher in years past.. and its not going to be easy in the future, but there is a commitment to our country that exists in both ideals.. and that is we all want what we think is best... that is why we fight...
just my 2 cents
There are tons of people in this country who view things in such skewed black and white terms. Reactionary simpletons who get all their information from sensationalized news stories that play on emotions - that makes them think anyone who votes differently than they do is automatically a pot headed hippie leading the way in a Gay Pride parade. And you wonder why they fall for such base stuff like "Fight 'em over there -so we don't have to fight 'em here!" etc. And the scary thing is... the person who started this thread is probably one of the more advanced ones out there in (southern?) Republican land - she's at least computer saavy.
I'm not sure I buy it, Berkshires. Sure, there are folks like that, but I think sometimes it can be traced to blind faith and sometimes it can be traced to an adversarial mentality. That is, perhaps some of those righties you mention act so big and dumb and redneckish because they figure folks like you will assume that they are and treat them as if they are regardless of what they say or do. Therefore, they will give you what you want. You want a redneck? They'll give you a redneck and give you hell for it.
I am southern-born, and many of my friends and relatives are lifelong Republicans. They're firm parts of the "Solid South". Many of them agree with the Dems on any number of topics, but have a few hot-button sticking points that keep them from being able to cross over.
Furthermore, I get the feeling that some of them just don't want to give lefties the satisfaction. That'd be admitting defeat, and that's something not easily done by a lot of people, especially in this country.
The media keeps stressing the importance of blue and red.. and the constant fighting (cheap shots) on both sides continues to polarize people and makes them feel as if they have to choose sides and jump on a bandwagon agenda, that encompasses many issues. We all need to take issue by issue one at a time and make the best educated decision we can on THAT issue. Bandwagons are what BOTH parties want.. so they can control the majority and get 100 percent of what they want.. its trickery and deception. When people stop thinking for themselves and playing high school popularity games.. then we all lose.. and those in power walk all over us. Who better to manipulate the social issues and ideals of the majority than the people who created it?
It is part of the northeast-but its economy based primarily in the past has been rust belt manufacturing- that has changed of course, but the city still has more in common with Cleveland then Washington, New York or Boston.
As both my parents are from Pittsburgh- I also know the culture seems to be a cross between Midwestern and northeastern.
Again, the Northeast is a region that contains diverse economies. Aside from that Pittsburgh no longer makes steel, though even then, it was the third largest corporate center in the country.
It's gone and has been for decades. Yes the industrial past is similar to Cleveland, and also Buffalo, another Northeastern city.
There are variences, but there are differences between Pittsburgh and the Midwest. Just as DC shares some elements of Souther influence being on the Southern fringe of the Northeast, but it is a Northeastern city and one that also has littel in common with the entire region, Pittsburgh, NYC or Boston etc.
nothing can be liberal unless it has something conservative to compare it to as well as nothing can be conservative unless it has something liberal to compare it to.. The scale of how liberal or conservative is a matter of perception. Here's the point.. Our nation needs BOTH, it is called checks and balances. I agree that most people are purple.. very few are all blue and very few are all red... Instead of looking at what makes us different and calling the marriage of our union over.. why don't we work together more in getting things accomplished.. knowing that neither side is going to get 100 percent of what it wishes.. but isn't that the point? If you compare conservatives today to conservatives 200 years ago.. you all would have been liberals in that day.. so.. it is not a matter of black or white.. red or blue.. but rather, considering the issues at hand.. where do you fall in opinion of that issue.. to the conservative or liberal side? whether the issue is liberal or conservative.. the stance on either side is always going to encompass a conservative and liberal side. We all need each other.. so kiss and make up.. and suck it up and quit throwing our great nation away like a cheap Las Vegas Marriage.. its been tougher in years past.. and its not going to be easy in the future, but there is a commitment to our country that exists in both ideals.. and that is we all want what we think is best... that is why we fight...
just my 2 cents
If you split this country because of idealogical differences, we're going to be even more polarized.
Say all the liberals went to one part and all the conservatives went to another. Happy days? I think not.
Each would be living happy for a time, but then they'll start having differences amongst each other. Some liberals will call other liberals too left leaning or too right leaning. A moderate conservative would then be labeled a liberal by other conservatives because the old liberals left. And so on.
Both countries would probably start bickering amongst themselves just like they do in one country. Instead of having two parties argue in one country, we have four parties arguing in two countries.
Moral of the story:
We're human beings. And we're also Americans.
We just like to b*tch and moan. Unless we're in a society that is controlled by one central power, we'll always b*tch and moan, because that's what we like to do. That's democracy.
Last edited by tenken627; 09-06-2007 at 09:59 AM..
this kind of talk is really hurtful. There are liberals and conservatives in every state.
If you really want to divide the union, you can't see the big picture. We all need each other in this country. If you went to a place like Washington DC you'ld be shocked by the conservatives and liberals that work there and make things run and are totally dependent on each other. My dad got an eye opener when his co-workers turned out to be mostly gay- and Democrats. But he had to learn to get along. Now they are his friends. Why spread the hate and bigotry?
I guess now I know why I hate America... that Americans can think of each other with that kind of disgust sickens me. Ironic, but true. We should be countrymen and brothers and instead we are enemies. So sad.
On the other hand, if the liberal America legalized and regulated most drugs then the underground dealers would only have a market in the conservative states...
But in Liberal Land, Drug Lords could go legit and become CEOs with big pension plans/golden parachutes and live large right out in the open. I'm thinking they could open both discount type mega drug stores a la Wal-Mart and designer drug boutiques for the hoity-toity among you. Neighborhood drug dealers might own a local drug emporium franchise and employ the undereducated to provide home delivery service and they'd all have government paid health insurance. Drug dealers who are also drug users, and therefore don't have any money, could become street vendors or sell their drugs at flea markets. The only problem I could see is if your socialist goverment decides the government will sell drugs and ban private ownership or kill any chance of the CEO drug dealer by burying him under a mountain of government red tape, forms and taxes.
Any Conservative Land person who runs across the border to buy drugs and is caught on the way back will only do it once because he/she will be shot trying to sneak back in or will serve a life sentence for possession because we'll have all of the no-nonsense judges that will throw the book at them. Dealers who try to come into Conservative Land with their drugs will of course receive the death penalty on their first, and last, conviction.
I think we could alleviate prison overcrowding with Liberal Land and Conservative Land. You guys wouldn't put anyone in jail. We wouldn't have criminal recidivism.
Also, how would those drug dealers living out in the open be any different from Big Pharma CEOs?
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