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Cosby has mainly been criticized for the political arguments he made, not for his show.
The standard black conservative spiel has been to focus entirely on the rhetoric of self-help rather than to balance self-help arguments with systemic analysis. The black community generally doesn't take criticism well, and we're far too quick to brand people as traitors, but his arguments are myopic to say the least. Too much Booker T., not enough W.E.B., basically.
True but he was also criticized during the run of his show for not depicting "realistic" portrayals of Black people. Which is odd because many times on this board many Black Americans bemoan the depiction of "ghetto" blacks in the media. You really can't please some people.
As long as minorities are underrepresented I think it's ok to help them get in. But only if that does not mean the standards are lowered at the college itself. So if someone supposedly got in just because of their ethnic background, they will soon drop out again anyway...
And given Berkeley's great reputation, I assume it is prohibitively expensive, so most minority students can't afford it anyway, unless they get scholarships, which often means they have to prove they had great marks at high school anyway.
The U.S. is somewhere around 79% or so white. What is your version of minorities being "underrepresented"?
The U.S. is somewhere around 79% or so white. What is your version of minorities being "underrepresented"?
Thisj is a strange question. Minorities are underrepresented because like you state, white people are 77%(last I heard) of the population.
Wanted to add though that I think this bake sale is just a play to complain about something. There were good discussions though here, especially about the Cosby show, though most of the complaints about the depiction of the family on the show I heard were from white people saying that black families like the Huxtables didn't exist. But different strokes for different folks I guess.
Personally, I don't have any issues with Affirmative Action being used in education. I feel it should be used in public colleges or universities and I understand that my position is not one that is widely supported but I do feel that way since education was denied for hundreds of years in this country to black people. I would hope to see AA last for at least one hundred years.
I also agree with a PP who stated that the ingredients in the baked goods should be different, less sugar, no vanilla, more salt, etc. Make the sell more representative of what actually goes on in our educational system where some (not necessarily those of different ethnic backgrounds but mainly those whose parents make more money) receive better upbringings and education before they get to college which make them more marketable on paper.
Personally, I don't have any issues with Affirmative Action being used in education. I feel it should be used in public colleges or universities and I understand that my position is not one that is widely supported but I do feel that way since education was denied for hundreds of years in this country to black people. I would hope to see AA last for at least one hundred years.
So after a hundred years, then would you support affirmative action for white males since they have been discriminated against for the past hundred years?
To compare what these young repugs are doing, you'd have to compare sell two different sets of cookies, those that have ALL of the ingredients (white) and those that lack some ingredients like sugar, (disadvantaged minority). That would be a more apt comparison.
No. The class (ingredients) offered at college is the same. But the buyers (different ethnic/minority status) pay differing prices for the same thing.
The Berkeley kids are presenting an appropriate analogy.
To compare what these young repugs are doing, you'd have to compare sell two different sets of cookies, those that have ALL of the ingredients (white) and those that lack some ingredients like sugar, (disadvantaged minority). That would be a more apt comparison.
Another lib who thinks all black people are disadvantaged minorities and all white people are rich and privileged.
What if a white person were to start something like a CAUCASIAN COLLEGE FUND?
Would they be allowed to or would that be illegal?
WHY can THEY get it and I don't?
WHY SHOULD ILIKETHEM FOR GETTING IT?
It appears as though UNFAIR practices should be funded BY NON WHITES
and let them get THEIR change else where!
I am tired of it -- struggling to keep family going, can't afford health insurance, and have to SUBSIDIZE THEM with MY 10 grand a year in taxes
I say ROCK ON Young Republicans!
Caucasian college fund- You mean like scholarships given to caddies (Evans-Scholars) or folks from a certain background- It happens and I have no problem with it.
White Shopping Network- Is there a mass white identity just like there's this supposed mass 'black' identity- but hey there's still the L.L. Bean catalog- getting harder to find good bluchers lately.
Wow.
Don't mistake frustration with your station in life as having any relevance to affirmative action.
The YR's (as I am a member) are not carrying the flag for you as you incorrectly believe. You can't put one group down to try to prop yourself up.
A.A. is an attempt to correct an educational system that until the 1960's was largely segregated and treated minorities unfairly. Unlike white immigrants, blacks could never assimilate now matter how high they rose, they'd still be black. So while no well-to-do black or minority should ever consider a.a. to help them gain admission- if a kid from the inner city (black, asian, even white) is given a small nudge to make up for the fact that he was born to a poor family so be it.
To be wholeheartedly against affirmative action is to believe that we all are given the same, fair chance in life- we aren't.
Oftentimes now a.a is tied to race which is tied to low SES. One day, it won't be. Race will be an afterthought and a.a. will simply help the poor.
But don't try to say that a.a. is the reason you are at whatever point you are in life.
And don't act as though your tax burden subsidizes only minorities, we can easily cull data for government assistance rolls...
No. The class (ingredients) offered at college is the same. But the buyers (different ethnic/minority status) pay differing prices for the same thing.
The Berkeley kids are presenting an appropriate analogy.
disadvantaged minority is that way by choice ... productive America learns to accept productive people ...
People like Reverend Wright are why to many minority are kept down ...
The rest of America respect people like Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell and Herman Cain ...
You old timers ... remember when people did not like the Irish and Italians?
... until they joined in on the American Dream and WORKED FOR BECOMING A PART OF IT ...
who ran Godfather's Pizza? (Herman Cain)
who ran Harpo, Inc? (Oprah Winfrey)
Booker T. Washington Insurance Co., Citizen's Federal Savings Bank? (Dr. Arthur George Gaston) THIS GUY ... wow!!
You gotta read about this man - Dr. Arthur George Gaston was AMAZING!!
Wish I could have met him! (a brief on his story)
This is what it was all about until hate and entitlement filtered in to the mix!
Thisj is a strange question. Minorities are underrepresented because like you state, white people are 77%(last I heard) of the population.
Wanted to add though that I think this bake sale is just a play to complain about something. There were good discussions though here, especially about the Cosby show, though most of the complaints about the depiction of the family on the show I heard were from white people saying that black families like the Huxtables didn't exist. But different strokes for different folks I guess.
Personally, I don't have any issues with Affirmative Action being used in education. I feel it should be used in public colleges or universities and I understand that my position is not one that is widely supported but I do feel that way since education was denied for hundreds of years in this country to black people. I would hope to see AA last for at least one hundred years.
I also agree with a PP who stated that the ingredients in the baked goods should be different, less sugar, no vanilla, more salt, etc. Make the sell more representative of what actually goes on in our educational system where some (not necessarily those of different ethnic backgrounds but mainly those whose parents make more money) receive better upbringings and education before they get to college which make them more marketable on paper.
So then why do people cry foul when a college student body is 77% white?
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