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Old 09-28-2011, 05:03 AM
 
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Oh really???

An individual shouldn't be concerned that there is a diminishing quality of care that he receives?

An individual shouldn't be concerned about the FACT that it is becoming more difficult for seniors to be accepted by physicians because they are Medicare patients?

Since obamacare is modeled after Medicare, shouldn't EVERYONE be concerbed that the length of time it takes to see a primary care physicians will increase significantlly?

You didn't bother to read the links. Why comment?
The AMA is a trade group that represents doctors interests and not patients interest. You have no say in whether they are effective enough to remain so and rightfully so.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:31 AM
 
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AMA is a sellout to physicians and does not triumph physicians' best interests. The REAL story about how physicians view Obamacare:

Doctors And AMA Split Over Contentious Issue Of ObamaCare - Forbes

There was a big PR event at the White House with Obama and the AMA,.....but the doctors in the trenches disagree with both the AMA and Obama. The AMA is overblown: only 17% of physicians even belong to the AMA, and that number is dwindling.

The Healthcare Debate is Far From Over | Physicians News

Is it time for a REAL union?

there should be a few private regulators. get rid of the ama
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:36 AM
 
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the AMA is not a union. it is a professional organization, like the NAR, or the AICPA.
It's as much a union as the NEA or Trial Lawyers Association.
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:40 AM
 
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Oh really???

An individual shouldn't be concerned that there is a diminishing quality of care that he receives?

An individual shouldn't be concerned about the FACT that it is becoming more difficult for seniors to be accepted by physicians because they are Medicare patients?

Since obamacare is modeled after Medicare, shouldn't EVERYONE be concerbed that the length of time it takes to see a primary care physicians will increase significantlly?

You didn't bother to read the links. Why comment?
Under the current US health system, doctors are blocked for 15 minutes or less per patient.
What diminishing quality of care? Do you think US healthcare is stellar now?
Personally, I like socialized medicine; so do the rest of the world's industrialized countries.

I'm not concerned.
The sky, it is not falling.
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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I can't believe that people do not understand what is happening now and will happen when obamacare is implemented. Healthcare providers are not like the federal government, i.e.,...when they consistently operate at a loss, then clientele has to be reviewed regarding profitability.

Liberals seem to think that they should be provided FREE healthcare. Enslaving the provider never crosses their mind.
I am for socialized medicine with doctors as employees of the government. If they want to have a union for public employees after it has been socialized, more power to them. And yes, I want free healthcare, although of course nothing is really free. It will be to be paid for out of taxes, but it would still be less than we are all paying now and everything should be covered.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:18 AM
 
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Under the current US health system, doctors are blocked for 15 minutes or less per patient.
What diminishing quality of care? Do you think US healthcare is stellar now?
Personally, I like socialized medicine; so do the rest of the world's industrialized countries.

I'm not concerned.
The sky, it is not falling.
Fifteen minutes per patient? OK,....just add the millions that obamacare will mandate, the dwindling supply of primary care doctors, and the fact that many doctors have already curtailed see Medicare?Medicade patients,......and what do you have? If you can't see the quality of care diminishing then no one can help you.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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I am for socialized medicine with doctors as employees of the government. If they want to have a union for public employees after it has been socialized, more power to them. And yes, I want free healthcare, although of course nothing is really free. It will be to be paid for out of taxes, but it would still be less than we are all paying now and everything should be covered.
Public emplouyees already have a union.

Typical liberal response,...."...I want free healthcare",......as long as someone else pays for it! You know what Margaret Thatcher said about socialism.........

Liberals want to destroy free enterprise and turn everything over to the government. They never take into consideration that they WISH to enslave private enterprise by legislating physicians out of business.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:34 AM
 
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I can't believe that people do not understand what is happening now and will happen when obamacare is implemented. Healthcare providers are not like the federal government, i.e.,...when they consistently operate at a loss, then clientele has to be reviewed regarding profitability.

Liberals seem to think that they should be provided FREE healthcare. Enslaving the provider never crosses their mind.

Amazing, isn't it?

They forget about little things like overhead. If one cannot generate enough revenue to pay for your overhead, you need to close. We cannot see patients for free and still keep our doors open. I do not know of anyone who will accept the new Obamacare patients, as they will essentially be taking on difficult patients for free.

How many of you will work for nothing? Do you expect that people will incur huge expenses and debt from medical training, only to never be able to pay off that debt?

If there is a "socialist" system, the feds would have to take over the expense of training as well to make the system work. The whole cost of such a system would be huge, at a time when we cannot even afford our current entitlements and daily operating costs of the government.

Who would pay for it? "The rich" (the standard liberal answer)?
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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Public emplouyees already have a union.

Typical liberal response,...."...I want free healthcare",......as long as someone else pays for it! You know what Margaret Thatcher said about socialism.........

Liberals want to destroy free enterprise and turn everything over to the government. They never take into consideration that they WISH to enslave private enterprise by legislating physicians out of business.
I am not in favor of slavery. If you don't want to be a doctor choose another profession. It is your choice. The system seems to work fine in Europe. I don't see a lot of countries flocking to have our system.

It is not free. It would have to be paid for out of tax dollars, but you would free of your insurance premiums, deductibles and out of post costs. It is simply more cost effective. Those are just the numbers.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:23 AM
 
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Amazing, isn't it?

They forget about little things like overhead. If one cannot generate enough revenue to pay for your overhead, you need to close. We cannot see patients for free and still keep our doors open. I do not know of anyone who will accept the new Obamacare patients, as they will essentially be taking on difficult patients for free.

How many of you will work for nothing? Do you expect that people will incur huge expenses and debt from medical training, only to never be able to pay off that debt?

If there is a "socialist" system, the feds would have to take over the expense of training as well to make the system work. The whole cost of such a system would be huge, at a time when we cannot even afford our current entitlements and daily operating costs of the government.

Who would pay for it? "The rich" (the standard liberal answer)?
"Free Healthcare" is the carrot that the populace sees,....they don't grasp the process that is necessary to receive that "free healthcare". Further, many do not seem to mind trampling free enterprise, or anyones' rights to attain "free" commodity.

Socialism didn't build this country, but if liberals had their way the government would provide for ALL aspects of our lives. Healthcare is only the tip of the iceberg.

At some point the "takers" will outnumber the "givers" and this country will have an economic collapse. When no one has an incentive to work, we will be in trouble.
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