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Old 09-28-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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What exactly is the point of this thread?

To make sure everyone knows that European royalty can afford healthcare in the US?
No, the point is that our doctors are clearly better than Dutch doctors. Otherwise she would have had the surgery in the Netherlands.

Persons with serious medical conditions in Bermuda (a British colony) are evacuated to US hospitals rather than to British hospitals. Same for all British colonies in the Caribbean. Afterall if British NHS was so great then they would send the patients back to Blighty.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The anti-HC people don't get it. They do not want to understand that it's not the quality of American health professionals that is inferior, but that healthcare in America is not available to all, least of all to those with limited finances.
How many Americans have the money for a round trip flight to Holland?
What you don't get is that the outcome of Obama's 'answer' will mean the quality WILL go down.

Great

Fast

Cheap

You can only have TWO of the three things. Ever. For anything. Right now we have Great and Fast for those 80% who can get to it. You want to ruin that because of the 20% (a third of whom are illegal) who can't.

That is shortsighted.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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They can also afford the best housing, best clothes, best tickets for concerts and sporting events, and best food.

I guess those are next on the agenda.
This is an excellent point.

Your longevity and quality of life are determined FAR MORE by those kind of things than your ability to see a doctor because of your toenail fungus.

So why aren't we trying to give everyone free food, free personal chefs, free personal trainers, free HEPA filters...?

These kinds of things affect your overall health much more dramatically than your healthcare.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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This is an excellent point.

Your longevity and quality of life are determined FAR MORE by those kind of things than your ability to see a doctor because of your toenail fungus.

So why aren't we trying to give everyone free food, free personal chefs, free personal trainers, free HEPA filters...?

These kinds of things affect your overall health much more dramatically than your healthcare.
I am a 23 year old with cancer struggling to live day to day. Nothing matters more to my longevity or quality of life than health care.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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Prinses Anita geopereerd in VS - Binnenland | Het laatste nieuws uit Nederland leest u op Telegraaf.nl [binnenland]


Princess Anita surgery in U.S.

THE HAGUE - Princess Anita, the wife of Prince Pieter-Christiaan, last week in the United States operated on because spontaneous leakage of cerebrospinal fluid in her back. That the Government Information Service said Tuesday. The surgery went well and the princess returns expected in the near future back to the Netherlands.



The operation took place at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. The surgery was complex and had to be done by a doctor who specializes in this
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How many Americans get surgery in The Netherlands....? NONE, unless they live there and have no other option, but out of free will traveling from the USA to The netherlands for surgery....? Nobody in their right mind.

That is one of the reasons we don't want Obamacare....
Far more Americans will get surgery in India, Phillippines, Mexico, etc than any Danes coming over here that's for sure. This is what they are forced to do without insurance.

So thanks for making the case for universal health care. I'm sure you are so proud that rich Sheiks, and a few Heads of State, come here for some obscure surgery that this country happens to specialize in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXuKGZqBHHg
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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No, the point is that our doctors are clearly better than Dutch doctors. Otherwise she would have had the surgery in the Netherlands.

Persons with serious medical conditions in Bermuda (a British colony) are evacuated to US hospitals rather than to British hospitals. Same for all British colonies in the Caribbean. Afterall if British NHS was so great then they would send the patients to Blighty.
It certainly could not be that we are closer to the British colonies in the Caribbean...no that makes too much sense.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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That's a stupid point. It's entirely plausible that the USA happens to specialize in this particular kind of surgery.

Denmark's health care system is rated higher than the USA's dog-eat-dog system by a long shot.

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Old 09-28-2011, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I am a 23 year old with cancer struggling to live day to day. Nothing matters more to my longevity or quality of life than health care.
Yes, please...lets have all the exceptions that make the rule trot out right now.

I was referring to the stats the dems always blab on about how our country has a lower average lifespan.

In the sense of a large community, young outliers don't play into those stats. The health of the western community will be much more greatly affected by diet, exercise, food, environmental toxins, etc.

I hate that you are 23 and you have cancer. That effin' sucks beyond imagination.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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Where does it say it was free ? Did I miss something ?
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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I'm happy for the Dutch princess that she can afford this life-saving surgery as opposed to the average American who has to hope that their insurance company agrees to cover the cost and then, even if the insurance does cover, is burdened with an astronomical deductible + co-pay. Of course, if you can't get insurance because you can't afford the current mortgage-sized cost of insurance or suffer from a pre-existing condition you're in an even more unenviable position of having to rely on loans, mortgaging your house, etc... because, according to the conservatives, "life is a privilege, not a right". Well, they say health care but in many cases it truly does mean life or at least the quality of it.

Would you, Rush Limbaugh, and other conservatives repeat after me:

There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
There's a difference between quality of health care and affordability of health care.
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