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Old 09-28-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Is this an argument against regulation, or lack of enforcement of regulation?

It is a statement that when government is involved, there is absolutely NO accountability. No matter which party has the power.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is a statement that when government is involved, there is absolutely NO accountability.
That is an attempted run around the question. Was that an argument against regulation? Or lack of enforcement?
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That is an attempted run around the question. Was that an argument against regulation? Or lack of enforcement?

It is the statement that the fox had the keys to the hen house, after all.
A big false sense of security.


The courts are there to decide harm and damages. Monetary loss is a good preventative, if it is high enough to hurt.

The government prevents the risk, to try. Then they always fall short of keeping their agreements and no one is held accountable. The Tax payer just pays and then pays more.
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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The needed regulation is already in place. Pipelines should be marked. If you see a pipeline marker...

DON'T BUY ! ! !

Unless of course, you're trying to lose an 'Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader' episode.
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is the statement that the fox had the keys to the hen house, after all. A big false sense of security.
But why? Would it be better to give a hassle free entry to the fox instead? Or, would it be better to ensure that the keys weren't in fox's hands?
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Old 09-28-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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Senator blocks pipeline safety bill on principle - The Boston Globe

You know, the one that came in response to the explosion here in San Bruno that burned a lot of people to death and led to the realization that Pacific Gas & Electric was egregiously negligent in their quality control. They can't even furnish the records of where the hell exactly their pipelines are! We see how well companies police themselves. These goons deserve to have the book thrown at them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18982471


So we've got thousands of miles of aging gas pipelines under residential areas and companies that have basically abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their quest for greater profit. And Rand Paul is opposing this "on principle" because he thinks there is never, ever a good use of any regulation. Even when pipeline industry people themselves say there are some serious gaps in safety regulation today that need to be addressed.

I guess when you're a corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge like Rand Paul, a couple of dozen people burned to death in their homes every now and then when a pipeline explodes is just collateral for the freedom of a company like PG&E to do whatever it pleases without consequence (oh wait, I meant to say "the market can effectively regulate itself"). Those dead people don't really matter.
Perhaps Governor Moonbeam should address safety regulations on said pipelines within the boundaries of his own state as should other state governors. Shouldn't the safety of California residents lay with the state of CA? Of course when you have no defense for the policy failures of one's own state to protect its residents go attack the Senator from another state.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:17 PM
 
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Senator blocks pipeline safety bill on principle - The Boston Globe

You know, the one that came in response to the explosion here in San Bruno that burned a lot of people to death and led to the realization that Pacific Gas & Electric was egregiously negligent in their quality control. They can't even furnish the records of where the hell exactly their pipelines are! We see how well companies police themselves. These goons deserve to have the book thrown at them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18982471


So we've got thousands of miles of aging gas pipelines under residential areas and companies that have basically abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their quest for greater profit. And Rand Paul is opposing this "on principle" because he thinks there is never, ever a good use of any regulation. Even when pipeline industry people themselves say there are some serious gaps in safety regulation today that need to be addressed.

I guess when you're a corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge like Rand Paul, a couple of dozen people burned to death in their homes every now and then when a pipeline explodes is just collateral for the freedom of a company like PG&E to do whatever it pleases without consequence (oh wait, I meant to say "the market can effectively regulate itself"). Those dead people don't really matter.
"I guess". sums up your entire post.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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This is from the thread-starter cite above: "The NTSB has officially blamed the Sept. 9, 2010, gas-line explosion, which killed eight people and destroyed 38 homes, on PG&E's inadequate quality controls for allowing the shoddily welded pipe segment to be installed and for failing to detect the problems during the 54 years it was in the ground."

I also found ZERO information about Rand Paul's position, or what the actual proposal for new regulation entailed. We cannot say his position is unreasonable when we have no idea what the issues are.

The weld was done 54 years ago. And it was underground. Is it even possible to dig up all the buried pipelines to inspect their welds, considering that 95% of them are in easements on land owned by others? Would you allow your entire front yard to be dug up to "inspect" the gas pipe? Who pays for re-seeding the law, or damage done to other systems?

Insiders in the energy industry have told me that natural gas is the only energy source we have left that is clean-burning and plentiful. I remarked that there is no way the American people will be allowed a cheap and pentiful energy source of any kind. Something will happen to make it just as expensive as all the other over-regulated or absurdly expensive (Green) energy sources, and here it is: excessive new regulations that are virtually impossible to comply with.

Our government does NOTHING to protect citizens, or improve safety. EVERYTHING it does is to increase government power and money, and Big Business and Big Government are so corruptly intertwined that they are indistinguishable.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Originally Posted by ambient View Post
Senator blocks pipeline safety bill on principle - The Boston Globe

You know, the one that came in response to the explosion here in San Bruno that burned a lot of people to death and led to the realization that Pacific Gas & Electric was egregiously negligent in their quality control. They can't even furnish the records of where the hell exactly their pipelines are! We see how well companies police themselves. These goons deserve to have the book thrown at them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18982471


So we've got thousands of miles of aging gas pipelines under residential areas and companies that have basically abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their quest for greater profit. And Rand Paul is opposing this "on principle" because he thinks there is never, ever a good use of any regulation. Even when pipeline industry people themselves say there are some serious gaps in safety regulation today that need to be addressed.

I guess when you're a corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge like Rand Paul, a couple of dozen people burned to death in their homes every now and then when a pipeline explodes is just collateral for the freedom of a company like PG&E to do whatever it pleases without consequence (oh wait, I meant to say "the market can effectively regulate itself"). Those dead people don't really matter.

No they don't. They were not millionaires so to him their deaths are meaningless.
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The weld was done 54 years ago. And it was underground. Is it even possible to dig up all the buried pipelines to inspect their welds, considering that 95% of them are in easements on land owned by others? Would you allow your entire front yard to be dug up to "inspect" the gas pipe? Who pays for re-seeding the law, or damage done to other systems?


This post is just like our government! Don't know crap about it, but we are going to make a rule or regulation!

No need to dig up an entire pipeline. It is called a pressure test! A smoke test then finds the leak.
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