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Then try this later article where Hall's mother commented about his walk with crime, her trying to get him to move to her in Kentucky. Also, the police indicated that Hall threw a rock through a kitchen window to gain access.
Doesn't sound like the kind of guy with whom I'd want to play "what if".
But he was really a sweet misunderstood kid who would never harm anyone. No one saw this coming. Its not his fault that at such a young age he was a repeat offender.
I wonder how many lives that homeowner saved besides his own. He should be thanked for his bravery instead of submitting as the victim he was intended to become.
Then try this later article where Hall's mother commented about his walk with crime, her trying to get him to move to her in Kentucky. Also, the police indicated that Hall threw a rock through a kitchen window to gain access.
Doesn't sound like the kind of guy with whom I'd want to play "what if".
Rhodes said she tried to get her son to move to Kentucky with her, but he refused. “He’s gonna learn, but do he have to learn through death?” Rhodes said.
Yes Ms. Rhodes that is exactly how he's gonna learn, through death.
But he was really a sweet misunderstood kid who would never harm anyone. No one saw this coming. Its not his fault that at such a young age he was a repeat offender.
I wonder how many lives that homeowner saved besides his own. He should be thanked for his bravery instead of submitting as the victim he was intended to become.
There are some in our society who prey on others as a way to continue their miserable lives. This one was a youngster,....only 18. What a waste of such a young life. Crime doesn't pay.
Actually Illinois in spite of having an unconstitutional ban on bearing arms has a pretty good law on self defense in the home...
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(720 ILCS 5/2‑8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2‑8)
Sec. 2‑8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
(Source: P.A. 88‑277; 89‑428, eff. 12‑13‑95; 89‑462, eff. 5‑29‑96.)
Interesting that the first definition of "Forcible Felony" is Treason
The old man was completely within the law and the family has no case...
Actually Illinois in spite of having an unconstitutional ban on bearing arms has a pretty good law on self defense in the home...
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(720 ILCS 5/2‑8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2‑8) Sec. 2‑8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. (Source: P.A. 88‑277; 89‑428, eff. 12‑13‑95; 89‑462, eff. 5‑29‑96.)
Interesting that the first definition of "Forcible Felony" is Treason
The old man was completely within the law and the family has no case...
What if it could be proven that the teens 'intent' wasn't to rob, but rather to 'hide' from an outside threat??
What if testimony came up in court that a witness saw the young man being chased minutes earlier??
Such a case like this, when played infront of a jury, is not as cut and dry as you think...without indisputable evidence that this kid was a threat...
And the defense attorney would have to proove or create the impression that this man would of lost his life, had he not fired his weapon...
What if it could be proven that the teens 'intent' wasn't to rob, but rather to 'hide' from an outside threat??
What if testimony came up in court that a witness saw the young man being chased minutes earlier??
Oh for crying out loud! the kid threw a rock through the window "attack with a deadly weapon" test is satisfied end of story.
You can paint this any colour you want but you folks have obviously become so inurred to crime happening to others you're busily apologizing for this little cretin by giving him the benefit of the doubt with living in a poor area, unemplyment rates and a bunch of other hoopla.
When will you address the rights of any person in a just society to live without fear of some young guy looking to rip them off. This little **** broke the first and bigggest rule of persoanl interaction; don't invade another's private space unless you're looking to get a load of hurt!
I believe firmly crime is getting a leg-up when you start justifying it with ANY reason.
This kid escaping a gang; give me a break! Throwing a rock through the window isn't the way any one of us would escape a gang! Crouching behind a table indicates a desire to be "hidden". He's already in the dang house supposedly safe from this hypothetical gang so hiding from the homeowner indicates nothing more than not wanting a face-to-face encounter. Probably thinking he'd wait for the old dude to turn his back to shuffle off and then attack him.
Not one of you has bothered to mention this elderly gent is going to suffer greatly for something he was not responsible for. Can you imagine being in the position of 81 years old, in poor health, thinking your life is threatened and having to respond thusly.
Were I his neighbour I'd pay for his stress counselling with a local bartender and a case of Jim Beam. He probably got rid of a neighbourhood menace for the rest of them.
Chicago unemployment is at 10%, imagine how high it is for teenagers. I'm not defending the kid, because the home owner did the right thing. You have to wonder if this kid would have even committed this crime if there had not been such high unemployment for the past three years.
Yep 'ol W has been doing a poor job.
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