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However, no one ever accuses the Republicans of having ideologies that were aligned with Nazi ideologies.
Has your head been buried in the sand for the last 9 years??? When Bush was in office, the Internet was (and even some newspapers were) LOADED with comparisons between the 'evil' GOP and the Third Reich.
the government is a corporation
unions are corporations
and yes many liberals are PRO-nationalism
One major "socialist" reform of the economy that is still a misty ideal to modern-day Leftists Mussolini actually carried out. He attempted to centralize control of industry by declaring a "Corporate State" which divided all Italian industry up into 22 "corporations". In these corporations both workers and managers were supposed to co-operate to run industry together -- but under Fascist guidance, of course. The Corporate State was supposed to ensure social justice and give the workers substantial control of industry.
And in 1933 Mussolini even promised that the National Council of Corporations would eventually replace the Parliament! Surely the ultimate unionist's dream! And the Chamber of Fasces and Corporations created in 1939 largely fulfilled that promise. Since Mussolini had dictatorial powers by then it was largely tokenism but it nonetheless showed how Leftist his propaganda was.
"""Therefore I desire that this assembly shall accept the revindication of national trades unionism""" mussolinni ..pro-union
F.D. Roosevelt, found in Mussolini's policies part of his inspiration for the semi-socialist "New Deal" and referred to Mussolini in 1933 as "that admirable Italian gentleman". Mussolini was plausible to an amazingly wide range of people -- not the least to the people of Italy.
And Roosevelt and his political allies practiced what they preached. As UPI financial journalist Martin Hutchinson has pointed out, the USA in the 1940s was a place "with price controls, government licensing of transportation, state intervention in the steel and auto industries, interest rates that were set by Treasury fiat and a capital market in which banks were not allowed to operate. Also a "democracy" in which electoral districts were wildly unequal and 15 percent of the population was denied the vote." By modern-day standards the USA of that time had considerable Fascist elements too. American Leftism was Fascist even then.
In 1954, Hofstadter chided those who had worried about "several close parallels" between FDR's N.R.A. and fascist corporatism. There are more than "several" parallels. In 1944, John T. Flynn made the case in As We Go Marching, where he enumerated the stigmata of generic fascism, surveyed the interwar policies of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, and pointed to uncomfortably similar American policies. For Flynn, the hallmarks of fascism were: 1) unrestrained government; 2) an absolute leader responsible to a single party; 3) a planned economy with nominal private ownership of the means of production; 4) bureaucracy and administrative "law"; 5) state control of the financial sector; 6) permanent economic manipulation via deficit spending; 7) militarism, and 8) imperialism (pp. 161-62). He proceeded to show that all these were alive and well under the wartime New Deal administration (pp. 166-258). Pragmatic American liberalism had produced "a genteel fascism" without the ethnic persecutions and full-scale executive dictatorship seen overseas.
There is practically no feature of modern-day Leftism that was not prefigured by Mussolini. It is clear from the many quotations and reports that are available that Mussolini was very much a kindred spirit of modern-day Leftists. It is therefore hilarious that Leftists now use the name of his movement as their routine term of abuse! Ignorance of history does indeed lead to some strange follies.
He started out as such a radical unionist firebrand and Marxist agitator that he was often jailed for his pains. But as he matured he moved towards somewhat more moderate politics which saw him win power by political rather than by revolutionary means. Modern day Leftists seem to be the same. The young go out demonstrating against this, that and the other and the like while older Leftists exert their efforts within the framework of conventional democratic politics -- via the major Leftist political parties.
And no-one was a more ardent advocate of government provision of basic services than Mussolini was -- and he actually put those ideas into practice on a large scale as well. And he also instituted a "welfare state" that was very advanced for the times.
In his "corporate state", Mussolini was the first to create that very modern phenomenon constantly now being advocated by Leftists everywhere -- a system of capitalism under tight government control. And his corporate state was one where the workers had (at least in theory) equal rights with management. He actually put into full-blown practice what is still a great but rather misty ideal for most Leftists.
progressives (aka liberals) were the ones who supported hitler, progressives are owned by the european banks
Up until ww2, fascist and progressives were the same thing....But they dropped the term fascist due to public outcry and stuck with the term progressive ever since. Aside from being a complete nut of a dictator, Hitler had extremely liberal political policies and highly regulatory government agencies. He even had unviersal health care.
H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.
In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, "Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism."
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
look at the political donations....goldman sacks donated over 5 million to the liberals just in the last election cycle
who is the fed???.... it is 12 banks mostly european...one of them is.....Sachs of New York ....another is Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (CHASE is the consumer and commercial banking subsidiary of JPMorgan Chase).....some of the others.....Lazard Brothers of Paris (one of the world's largest investment banks).......
another interesting fact one of the 12 was Lehman Brothers of New York ...now defunked..most of its assests were sold to barkleys of england.
The Fed was created to control the economy, which is a socialist mentality. FEDERAL RESERVE BANK Established in 1913 with the passage of woodrow Wilson's progressive reforms, They feel that they can take the ups and downs out of the normal economic cycle. Eventually the progressives got their opportunity to test their theory. In 1929 we began the great progressive Utopia. Roosevelt did what the progressives wanted; they almost eliminated the middle class. That left only the rich and the poor. FDR was hailed a hero because he provided the jobs in which he stole from the people to begin with. It was only death that kept FDR from becoming dictator.
It was only until the end of ww2 in which taxes were dramatically lowered that the country climb out of the depression created by the progressive's Utopia, but the Fed remained. Enter 2007 and we watched, as the fed seemed to weekly lower the prime rates in an effort to maintain a strong economy, all the while the great housing bubble created by the progressives began to leak. In 2009 that bubble burst and the Fed dropped lending rates to near zero.
We sat in 2010 with the Fed having only one option left in its book of tricks to effect the economy, and that is the create dollars. The printing presses are full on. Large corporations are borrowing interest free money from the Feds. That money doesn’t have to be printed. The Feds just tell that company to put X numbers of dollars into its account. Eventually that company will pay that money back to the Fed with no interest, but the kick is that they have to pay it back in actually cash. In that way the Fed is sucking some of that money back out of the economy. Where does that money go? It goes into the privately owned Federal Reserve banks. Someone is getting very rich off the financial ruin of the United States, all the while causing deflation to the US dollar.
The economy is still in the total control of the Fed and look where it’s keeping us. This is all a part of the One World Order people to equalize all the economies of the world. In North America they wish to bring down the USA, while bringing up Mexico and South America.
The lame stream media is not going to tell the masses these things, so it’s up to people like us to get the word out. We have to tell anyone that will listen. We have to get as many heads out of the sand that is possible.
funny thing is the rothschilds also run the magazine called "the progressive" a magazine around since 1909, with comtributors like bernie sanders (Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, and has praised European social democracy), and Avram Noam Chomsky (liberal socialist)
Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, bush1,clinton, cheney and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""........"In order to bring about a North American Union (NAU), the public first has to be conditioned to think of themselves as North Americans. ... "Zbigniew Brzezinski has been a CSIS counselor, and at Mikhail Gorbachev's first State of the World Forum in 1995, Brzezinski revealed: "We cannot leap into world government through one quick step.... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."
"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them." Lenin
"...in Brzezinski's BETWEEN TWO AGES (1970), he praised Marxism, and he claimed that "the nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty." One aspect of American sovereignty that is being yielded is ownership of American companies by Americans. In the first 9 months of 2007, 69 companies in New England alone have been sold to foreign buyers. Nationally, the French company Alcatel bought Lucent Technologies in the U.S. in 2006, and in September 2007 announced it will be cutting thousands of jobs. ..."
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." bill clinton
Has your head been buried in the sand for the last 9 years??? When Bush was in office, the Internet was (and even some newspapers were) LOADED with comparisons between the 'evil' GOP and the Third Reich.
Or maybe you have a selective memory...
You have to be careful when referring to people holding up signs depicting our president as Hither, because the Lyndon LaRouche democrats did that to both Bush and 0bama.
Nazis believed in the superiority of the white race.
Nazis were proudly anti-intellectual.
Nazis cultivated patriotism, love for the 'fatherland'.
Nazis promoted the idea that the hard working, decent Germans were victimized.
And yes, Nazis despised communism.
-Actually the so-called "Aryan" Race. Slavs, Greeks, and Jews are white and were considered inferior to various degrees.
-Nazis certainly liked Nietzsche and Wagner.
-Everybody cultivates and manipulates patriotism.
-Victimized? Well that sounds like a pillar of the Democratic Party, but I am not so shallow as to equate them with Nazis.
-Yes the Nazis despited Communism. So did Democrats under FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, and even Carter. So do Republicans. Indeed the people who most despise Communism are people living in Communist countries.
-Actually the so-called "Aryan" Race. Slavs, Greeks, and Jews are white and were considered inferior to various degrees.
-Nazis certainly liked Nietzsche and Wagner.
-Everybody cultivates and manipulates patriotism.
-Victimized? Well that sounds like a pillar of the Democratic Party, but I am not so shallow as to equate them with Nazis.
-Yes the Nazis despited Communism. So did Democrats under FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, and even Carter. So do Republicans. Indeed the people who most despise Communism are people living in Communist countries.
Wagner was a nationalist. If they liked him, then for that reason.
-Actually the so-called "Aryan" Race. Slavs, Greeks, and Jews are white and were considered inferior to various degrees.
-Nazis certainly liked Nietzsche and Wagner.
-Everybody cultivates and manipulates patriotism.
-Victimized? Well that sounds like a pillar of the Democratic Party, but I am not so shallow as to equate them with Nazis.
-Yes the Nazis despited Communism. So did Democrats under FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, and even Carter. So do Republicans. Indeed the people who most despise Communism are people living in Communist countries.
The concentration camps did include only Jews,
Nazis like Nietzsche? They misquoted Nietzsche for their purposes. Much of the misquotes came from Nietzsche's sister, Elizabeth, who attributed the writings to Nietzsche, after he had died. Wagner, once a friend of Nietzsche, became an anti-semite, and the relationship between Wagner and Nietzsche became hostile. So, the Nazis liked what they could use from Nietzsche.
The Nazis put together an exhibition of art they didn't like, the "Entartete Kunst". The Nazis were proudly anti-intellectual.
Besides, being anti-intellectual, or not anti-intellectual is a lot more than Nietzsche and Wagner.
Not everybody cultivates patriotism.
The Nazis told the Germans that they were victimized by the conditions after World War One, and by the Jews.
One more...the Nazis justified anything in the battle against communism.
-Actually the so-called "Aryan" Race. Slavs, Greeks, and Jews are white and were considered inferior to various degrees.
-Nazis certainly liked Nietzsche and Wagner.
-Everybody cultivates and manipulates patriotism.
-Victimized? Well that sounds like a pillar of the Democratic Party, but I am not so shallow as to equate them with Nazis.
-Yes the Nazis despited Communism. So did Democrats under FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, and even Carter. So do Republicans. Indeed the people who most despise Communism are people living in Communist countries.
Nazis loved Henry Ford as well and for the same reasons that they probably appreciated Wagner. On grounds of nationalism and patriotism, the Nazi operated on flawless nature. Accepting flaw/being wrong, was a sign of being weak. It is why they were ultra-nationalists. Patriotism implied an unconditional and unwavering support to the whims.
Nazis despised communism, because it was deemed a liberal idea, immoral and Godless, and on the whims of a Jew (Karl Marx). Their hatred didn't stop with communists alone, it included all liberals. Note that one of the first victims of Nazism were trade unions who supported social democrats politically (not communists).
It doesn't surprise me that some of the Nazi gimmickry made its way into American politics following WWII. "Got Mitt Uns" to "One Nation Under God" took a few years for sure, but the effect and appreciation of Nazi ways had been prevalent in the USA since WWI, from vocal supporters like Henry Ford, to the convenient description of race from "Caucasian" (which "threatened" to put virtually everybody going as far as India into the favored category) to the invention to "Caucasian/White" to make sure that didn't happen. There was a reason to political rantings against FDR being a Jew as well. That period was about as polarizing against Jews as I would say it is against Muslims today, and I am sure it will be someone else in a few decades from now.
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Originally Posted by Visvaldis
The concentration camps did include only Jews
Actually, no. In fact, concentration camps' first residents were liberals and communists, trade union leaders (the politically inconvenient ones). Jews were added to the list later. Among other residents were Romani people (the illegals) and gays, and during war, POWs.
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