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Old 09-29-2011, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by CityLover9 View Post
You honestly think homosexuality is a "mental disorder" that needs medical treatment?
It was at one time. It was in the DSM.

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Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale View Post
Well, the Republicans here are once again proving that they don't accept science and research. All that matters is what their guts tell them. They're brain dead.
I am basing my opinion on science and research.

Science and research say that every living organism on this Planet has evolved to perform one and only one function: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.

There are two genders for a reason: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.

The mere fact that humans are thinking animals does not alter the fact that humans, like every living organism on this Planet, evolved to perform one and only one function: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.

That fact that a heterosexual couple for whatever reason chooses not to procreate, still does not alter the fact that every living organism on this Planet, including humans, has evolved for one purpose only: to procreate and propagate the species to ensure its survival.

Homosexuality is completely anathema to the existence of humans. I would even say it is anti-human.

Obviously some of are you are confused and under the misguided belief that you primary purpose on Earth is to do the nasty with anything that moves or barks or bleats and even that which does not move.

You are sadly mistaken.

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I agree. The ignorance here is astounding sometimes. Some people (mostly right-wingers) just refuse to accept any information that challenges the beliefs they formed when they were children.
Again, my opinion, which is an objective fact-based conclusion, as opposed to a subjective whimsical belief not based on any facts is supported by science and research, as well as my own unbiased observations.

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Originally Posted by Backspace View Post
Are you saying that homosexuality is a choice? That's absurd, nobody chooses to be gay.
Some the Garbage/Bacon/Lettuce/Tomato crowd seem to think it is a choice.

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Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)
Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.

The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.

However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.
That would be the wrong conclusion. There is evidence that social environment affects sexual orientation.

The statements there are actually contradictory. It would appear they have skewed their conclusions. What they are presenting is evidence of trans-sexuality (and medical science was already clear on that) which is not the same thing homosexuality or media fueled gender discombobulation.

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Originally Posted by SoEdible View Post
What does that mean though? Tell me what tests they have done or what studies. What about the "minor" "medical and psychological organizations?" Maybe these major ones don't feel it is wise for them to produce text that tells millions of homosexuals that they are mentally ill? I have read that they would be motivated to do such because they did not want to have a negative reaction such as social oppression.
As I said earlier, at one time homosexuality was in the DSM. How do you get it out of the DSM? Simple. You stack the board with homosexuals and those who are sympathetic to homosexuals and then they vote to remove it from the DSM.

That's how it actually happened.

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I also don't believe that all homosexuals could be considered to have a mental illness, but I do think that homosexuality could be a precursor to any mental instability that may arise or be a underlying cause. Think about all of the hormones, biological and physiological factors that are in play.

Finally, my understanding is that not ALL "major" organizations would say that homosexuality is not a psychological disorder.
I have no idea what the cause or causal factors might be, however I do believe that in this climate you will never find dispassionate or unbiased research because of the specter of political correctness.

Personally I'd like to get to the bottom of it just to satisfy my own personal curiosity, and to that end there needs to be continued research on fetal development as well as in-depth psychological profiling and historical data gathering.

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Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
I only posted the Extract from the study. It's not the whole study. This is just one of many peer-reviewed articles and studies that support that gender identity is formed pre-natally and is not caused by the way a child is raised.
You're conflating trans-sexualtiy with gender identity, homosexuality and bi-sexuality (and there is no possible way your study extract could even remotely support bi-sexuality), and those are not the same things.

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Originally Posted by cedew View Post
I wonder what the odds are of a gay/lesbian couple having a transgender child when the child's sex is the same as the parents, versus the opposite of the parents.
No odds at all, since evolution no doubt saw fit to ensure that homosexuals cannot reproduce.

 
Old 09-29-2011, 11:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Trackwatch View Post
Back to the OP, the ONLY issue here is the boys age, most boys are confused at that age.

Many in this thread want to go down a tangent that has nothing to do with this case.
Possibly because someone else went down a tangent that has nothing to do with this case. Or because someone gave their opinion and in response someone created a tangent.
 
Old 09-29-2011, 11:50 PM
 
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I don't even have to read this thread to know that that the same useful idiots support this type of sick, twisted upbringing.
Apparently, you don't even have to read the article either before expressing your opinions about other people's opinions on the article. Amazing!
 
Old 09-29-2011, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Boise
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I can't speak for other people, but I simply asked if that could be a possibility, that his adoptive parents being in their situation could have influenced his gender curiosity. That is why I don't understand why some of you keep acting like we are saying that that IS what happened. None of us can say that, but it doesn't mean we don't wonder or suspect. I do think in this situation it is not unintelligent or wrong to wonder if situations like these lead to the confusion for a child.

Also, if you (and others who feel the same) "understand such concerns" then what is the problem? If you understand the concerns then why the "debate?"

Uh, buddy, girl, person, whatever, I'm always open to the fact that I am wrong. I have said that from the beginning in this thread. That is the difference between people like me on this message board and others: we can accept if we are wrong.
U realize GID is different to homosexuality? I guess I'm having a hard time how you and others are suspect of something "given the situation of the parents" WHAT SITUATION?? his parents are two women who live as women and are women mentally and physically..
 
Old 09-29-2011, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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My disagreement is the age. Unless there is a valid "medical" reason, you don't perform electiv procedures that alter the development of a child. GID is mental, not medical. There's another mental disorder that causes people to want to remove certain parts of their body like arms and legs. Should we allow doctors to amputate such body parts of children who suffer from this disorder? Allow his body to develop naturally, provide counseling to both the parents and the child, then once he's reached adulthood, if he still wishes to change his sex then let him do so.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 12:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Joe_Ryder View Post
Some gay parents may be fine but these two are treating an 11-year-old-child like a pet they can do irreversible hormonal experiments on.
What happens in 5 years when the child realizes it's neither boy or girl? Children are not toys, they're people. There's no going back for this kid. Later on when he realizes Mommy & Mommy were bat*****, he will have never developed the adult skeletal structure of a male. Too bad, so sad, eh?

I'm not knocking gays in general but these two particular chicks who happen to be gay are freaking insane and when they play doctor, they're playing Doctor Mengele.
The treatment recommended to the mothers by specialists who diagnosed the child with GID, is to delay puberty until the child is old enough to make his own decision. Did you not read the article?
 
Old 09-30-2011, 12:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by boiseguy View Post
so because the boy is only 11...it's a closed case in your opinion?
I mean.. that's fine if it is.. but it seems very closed minded and an opinion of someone that is not familiar with GID...which in turn makes one question the validity and importance of your opinion on the matter
I'm as familiar with GID as with RLS. Both are equally valid. Since both are quite simply made up and with absolutely zero physiological evidence of their existence, and aura reading isn't considered a valid science, my level of expertise is exactly equal to anyone else's on the whole planet.

Try not to confuse open minded with empty headed. Try not to buy into the psychobabble. From the way you write I can tell you're not an idiot but you may be gullible.

Good night boiseguy.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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The treatment recommended to the mothers by specialists who diagnosed the child with GID, is to delay puberty until the child is old enough to make his own decision. Did you not read the article?
I know you weren't responding to me, but I still disagree with altering the child's natural development through medicine for what is a mental problem.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 12:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
The treatment recommended to the mothers by specialists who diagnosed the child with GID, is to delay puberty until the child is old enough to make his own decision. Did you not read the article?
If the kid misses puberty he will never be able to develop properly... oh never mind... I give up. Believe what you want.
 
Old 09-30-2011, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by noela View Post
if a boy is to be raised from a "primarily male perspective", I guess a stay-at-home dad who's keeping a close eye on the boy is the best solution. Otherwise, given that even when a woman works full time she's usually the primary caregiver, the cherished male perspective might be a little drowned in an ocean of pernicious female perspective...

What is this "male perspective" you speak of? I grew up around a lot of adult males that didn't make very good roll models for the boys, if they were these "men" some people speak of, I don't want to be one.

How about if the Male is an abusive drunk/drug addict that cheats on the woman, how about if the male is emotionally weak and sits by while the woman doesn't do anything around the house or work and cheats on the male?

I know many males raised by their mother with little or no involvement from a male and they turned into better adults than most raised in a household where there was a Mom and Dad.
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