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Old 10-05-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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No. Like anti-gay websites usually do, you misrepresented the APA.

Please get back to us when you have anything, anything reputable at all to support your uninformed prejudiced views.

(Please, no anti-gay religious based sources)

That direct quote not suiting your fancy?

 
Old 10-05-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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That direct quote not suiting your fancy?
You mean the 'direct quote' with the conveniently missing sentences?
 
Old 10-05-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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NARTH! LOL! Your source is a ridiculous long discredited pray-away-the gay fringe group.

Big ouch!



Quick, someone tell the APA!


"TransActive strongly opposes the appointment of Dr. Kenneth Zucker to Chair the Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders work group that will revise and develop the fifth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V). This position is based upon his approach to clinical treatment of transgender and gender non-conforming identity in children & youth. Dr. Zucker, along with colleagues Dr. Ray Blanchard (also appointed to the DSM-V workgroup) and Dr. J. Michael Bailey are proponents of the theory that, in the vast majority of cases, gender non-conforming identity in children and youth is merely an indicator of an eventual homosexual identity in adulthood."

TransActive TransMissions: DSM-V & Kenneth Zucker

On Jan. 30th, she received a letter from Peter M. Jacobson, a lawyer for Dr. Kenneth Zucker, who is leading the revisions to the DSM-V, the standard text used by clinicians and psychologists to determine mental disorders. Zucker is accusing her of using libelous language in one of her web posts.

http://www.*****ty.com/dr-kenneth-zu...ders-20090206/



Well, if "Transactive" and "*****ty" say he's a whacko, who cares what a respected university and the APA think about him?
 
Old 10-05-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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What is wrong with NARTH so called "open_minded" left leaning folks? Seems like momonkey presented some pretty compelling evidence there but you just don't want to believe it. Anything to refute his case?
 
Old 10-05-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Y-Town Area
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Sometimes you feel like a nut, and sometimes you don't.
 
Old 10-05-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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You mean the 'direct quote' with the conveniently missing sentences?



"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

I included all but the last "Many think" sentence. I left it out because it adds nothing to the paragraph and is at best a truism. Yes, many do think that homosexuality is the caused by a combination of factors and those who are are attracted to their own sex feel they have no choice, but if "many think" homosexuality is caused by a combination of nature (biological factors: genetics, personal chemistry, etc) and nurture (learned behavior), this still changes nothing previously stated.
 
Old 10-05-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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I know. I suppose if a person doen't know much about homosexuality and does a google search, the NARTH website often comes up. It's basically an anti-gay propaganda group whose members are conservative and religious and strongly against homosexuality. They are the originators of so-called 'reparative' therapy. They do a fairly good job of hiding their religious origins to the casual viewer of their website. And most people who use NARTH as a source to support their anti-gay views wouldn't think to double check their cited sources for accuracy.

What many people probably don't know is that NARTH base a lot of their ideas on George 'rentboy' Rekers early PhD work in the 70's/80's with 'feminine' boys. He was a 'scientific advisor' for NARTH for many years and on their board, until he was forced to resign because of his 'rentboy' scandal.

Earlier this year it was revealed that Reker's PhD and subsequent book on his 'work' with supposedly changing 'feminine' boys into more 'masculine' boys, was based on fraudulent reporting from one main case of a young boy called Kirk Murphy. What Are Little Boys Made Of?

Rekers, in an article from the 80's wrote about "the positive therapeutic effects of religious conversion for curing transsexualism" and "the positive therapeutic effect of a church ministry to repentant homosexuals." He also testified in several court cases involving homosexuality and his 'expert testimomy' was virtually tossed out.

Interestingly, the other 'researcher' Momonkey referred to, Zucker, extensively cites Rekers in his own articles.

Not surprisingly, NARTH have long had a reputation for distorting and misrepresenting the work of others. They also misrepresent and attack the APA regularly. Not surprising again, as the APA debunked their so-called 'reparative therapy' and warned against it.

NARTH can't get anything published in any reputable peer-reviewed science Journals because what they produce is basically prejudiced scientifically unsupported nonsense. They had to publish their own 'journal' - which they love to quote.

Even Christian Psychologist Warren Throckmorton who works with gay and bi-sexual Christian clients, regularly takes NARTH to task for their deceptive tactics.
NARTH - Google Search





From what I can see the only issues with Dr. Kenneth Zucker's work are raised by gay activists who seek to silence anyone who doesn't agree with them on every issue. The APA appointed him to Chair the Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders work group for DSM-V. Unless the APA is now homophobic, I say case closed.

TransActive TransMissions: DSM-V & Kenneth Zucker
 
Old 10-05-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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Studies have been done on the brains of the transgendered that provide evidence that their brains are really wired more like the sex they identify as than their physical sex.

Anyway, I can't imagine there are too many things worse than waking up each day and feeling like you were born with the wrong body. None of us have a right to judge what this child is going through because we don't know what it's like.


Which study recommends eleven year-olds be given hormones to delay puberty?

With 88% of those who were diagnosed with GID as children declining gender reassignment later in life, it would seem the gender bender community is advocating child abuse as a remedy to their personal issues at least 88% of the time.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...XRInPEMJaiGeCA
 
Old 10-05-2011, 07:31 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Which study recommends eleven year-olds be given hormones to delay puberty?

With 88% of those who were diagnosed with GID as children declining gender reassignment later in life, it would seem the gender bender community is advocating child abuse as a remedy to their personal issues at least 88% of the time.
Compelling numbers. Interesting.

Nature 88 - Doctors and Experts 12.
 
Old 03-16-2012, 04:46 AM
 
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