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For a right winger to tell about Marx is about as reasonable as some who has never been to Angola (and can'[t even find it on a map) telling about Angola.
For a right winger to tell about Marx is about as reasonable as some who has never been to Angola (and can'[t even find it on a map) telling about Angola.
That's an odd comparison. I'll give you another which is more pertinent, I believe. I own a Koran and study it to better understand what Moslems believe. I am a Christian and consider the Holy Bible to be the written Word of God. If I understand what Moslems believe, I can better explain to them why I believe what I believe.
That's an odd comparison. I'll give you another which is more pertinent, I believe. I own a Koran and study it to better understand what Moslems believe. I am a Christian and consider the Holy Bible to be the written Word of God. If I understand what Moslems believe, I can better explain to them why I believe what I believe.
You're only getting a small fraction of the picture if you're just going by what the Koran says. Have you studied the Hadith and Sunnah as well? Do you even know what those are?
Same as with the bible. If you claimed to know anything about the Greek orthodox faith just going by the bible you'd be laughed at. How can one claim to understand Lutheranism without understanding sola scriptura? How can one claim to have knowledge of modern evangelicalism without knowing Calvinism?
Religious texts and religions don't spring up in a vacuum, they're creations of people and groups over many years and influenced by countless outside events.
In many posts the Right Wingers accuse others of being 'marxist'.
But have they read any works by Marx? So, how would they know what 'marxism' is?
I would say most of us I know I did 40 years ago. I wanted to understand my enemy always a good idea. I think more to the point how many marxists,little che want abes have read ayn rand or friedman. I wold say none or they would see the lie readily of marxism.
I would say most of us I know I did 40 years ago. I wanted to understand my enemy always a good idea. I think more to the point how many marxists,little che want abes have read ayn rand or friedman. I wold say none or they would see the lie readily of marxism.
ayn rand, marx....how about our current economic policy debate?
problem is no "system" can truly work because of human nature and the way in which society, technology, understanding, etc continue to change.
my "understanding" is that any "system" could work if the 'people' participating want it to work. once one group is disenfranchised though...all bets are off
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no we don't have true capitalism in america or anywhere else in the world. not even close. most of our banks, automakers, airlines, rail, airports, even our damn sports franchises are govt owned, operated, subsidized or controlled!
we probably were pretty close to capitalism at various points in our history. what did it look like? a lot better than everywhere else in the world at that time!
true capitalism will never exist, because there will always be govt raising barriers to entry and picking winners and losers etc, but we need to keep that to a minimum
so here's my closest example cuz i'm not seeing it in this post or from any other posters:
Place: America
Time: 1860's til 1910's
Conditions:
"robber barons" were in charge
nepotism was rampant
workers had no rights
companies could pay via credit for use at company owned shops
children had to work
how was this different than other places in the world at that time?
Do you have a different example?
If capitalism is all about the individual, then why do we even bother to stress teamwork?
Are there individuals that can and do excel? Ez answer...YES but the flip side is that these individuals are the exception rather than the rule. ignoring the challenges people have starting out life (eg. family, socio-econ situation, school choice, etc), then everyone would have the same individual opportunity to excel. Unless you have your head in the ground, "we" know that this is patently false. "we" do not all start on an equal footing from the day of our birth.
I would also argue that the most successful times in our country and in other areas around the world are when gov't and the pvt sector work together. One cannot succeed without the other.
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