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It seems as if the protesters are protesting Capitalism, but I hear that George Soros groups, Michael Moore, and Labor Unions are funding/supporting them.
I always find things like this ironic -> George Soros (a billionaire) and Michael Moore (another wealthy man) "support" the protesters demands for equality. If they really wanted to support them, they should divide their fortunes by the 99% and spread their own wealth around.
How about voluntary socialism/Marxism? Those who wish to share their wealth with the 99% can go right ahead.
No, what they want is for people to think they care. They don't care enough to give up their own power and fortune.(nor should they have to, in this poster's eyes. They earned their higher rankings in life's pecking order.)
If you thought the Tea Party was a good idea, but this Occupy Wall Street is not, then you're a clear hypocrite to us in the center.
I think both movements have ideas worth listening to, but they can too often get drowned out by the extreme partisans. And their implementation may prove to be ham-handed.
From the Tea Party, I agree we do have too much debt. From the Occupy Wall Street types, I agree that corporate donors get preferential treatment in our laws and the richest amongst us do get more breaks than any other time in the history of our Republic.
We have to decide as a country what is better. What are the benefits to allowing a larger disparity between those in the middle class and wealthy? What are the benefits to permitting large companies to buy favorable legislation? On the flip side, what are the benefits to cutting our debt or allowing it to continue unchecked?
I think it's a debate worth having and we shouldn't have a knee jerk reaction to the argument because the "other team" suggested it.
Best post in this thread. I tend to not participate in anything with political overtones, simply because the right and left wingers always fail to be able to look at anything rationally. We are all AMERICANS first and foremost, and political divisiveness is what is truly killing this country. I've heard Republicans say they would oppose whatever Obama said/did, simply because they cannot be seen agreeing with an action of his... regardless of whether it makes sense. I've seen Democrats push for legislation that even their own constituency doesn't really want just to **** off the GOP.
For those of us in the center, you partisan hacks are the ones to blame. You're ruining this country with your arrogance and inability to compromise for the sake of the greater good. The sad thing is that I think things have already gone too far, and it's too late to correct. Congrats to whichever side manages to pull off a Pyrrhic victory.
The TPers were possibly the first no-corporate-welfare movement to have gained legislatively influential traction (at least in the first go 'round of votes), having originated from the protests against TARP.
This is exactly my issue with the way Operarion Wall Street is going about their protest: Wall Street isn't going to magically stop exerting it's power and position. However, WE THEE PEOPLE, elect all those people (on BOTH sides of the aisle) in Washington who continue to give into their wants and demands. We elect the presidents who nominated the judges whose decision you dislike. Don't like it? Elect different people- those without corporate ties and with backbones and principals. (Insert requisite shout out to Ron Paul here!)
Even Cindy Sheehan made more sense. At least she protested the war in front of the Commander-in-Chief's home. She wasn't picketing defense contract companies.....
The march should be on Washington, not Wall Street.
Seems kinda like a puppet show, doesn't it?
Also - well IDK, maybe I missed it - but in that extensive Declaration previously posted, I didn't see any mention of them taking any offense with the atrocious slaughter of Middle Eastern people our tax dollars have funded. I guess that's just a non-issue, financially or morally, huh? Hmmm, call me crazy, but somehow that seems rather conspicuous in its absence from the agenda. Ron Paul wouldn't have forgotten to mention that.
Kinda reminds me of the scene from Apocalypse Now where Dennis Hopper is welcoming our heroes to Kurtz's compound and he says tells them to nevermind the heads ....
Also reminds me when I was walking down Tremont St past Boston Common and Deval Patrick was reciting his script introducing his clone puppet Obama. I looked at all those starry-eyed true believers reaching delirium as their TV idol messiah came to the stage to recite his identical meaningless tripe. I walked right by and on to the bar - better off listening to a stripper.
They are pissed about EVERYTHING - the economy, job market, hating "the rich" and wanting them to pay "their fair share", the wars we're still fighting, etc.
Instead, they should be marching on Washington if they want:
*Obama to end the wars
*Bernake to change our monetary policy
*Obama to toss his 900+ "executive orders" (environmental & other fiscal/monetary regulations) that scare the sh$t out of small & large businesses as far as near-term economic stability
*Congress to repeal the Healthcare bill which has stalled hiring and RAISED healthcare costs by an estimated 7% for each American
We have a branch of the Federal Reserve on Pearl in Uptown. (Right by Zaza/ Sammy's BBQ). So that would be a natural place to protest.
You have a warped sense of reality. You might want to expand your news source beyoned right wing propaganda sites like FOX and worldnetdaily.
Sounds like the Tea Party, just with a different set of demands.
You would never see the Tea Party taking on the corporate power structure that owns this country. They are all about increasing the power of elites by weakening goverment.
Well, the difference (so far) is that the Tea Party has a clear agenda, clear & visible leadership, and has been effective at getting their people elected to offices where decisions & change can actually be made.
The "Occupy" protesters don't have a clear agenda/goals- Ie, what SPECIFIC changes do they want "Wall Street" to make? Redistributing their annual profits amongst all Americans making $50k & less per year? Capping salaries and doing away with merit bonus payouts for star performers? A casual dress code? A vow to stop contributing to campaigns and to fire their lobbyists? As outlandish as those sound to me, at least they would be nailing their "95 Thesis" to the NYSE's front door, right?
They don't have any visible leaders, nor do any individuals seem to be at the helm, rallying and organizing.
And "Wall Street" isn't going to change because the protesters can't make them hurt. So what if all these unemployed people stop contributing to IRA's? So what if they pull their $5,000 out of the stock market? So what?? It won't affect Wall Street one iota. However, marching on the Fed to stop funneling money into the financial markets would hurt SIGNIFICANTLY if it was acted upon. Lobbying Obama / Congress to pass more regulations on finance industry compensation would hurt. There are ways to get at this, but standing in front of the famous Wall Street bull statue heckling people coming out of the 6 train isn't very effective.
That's lovely. I suppose no one has told them that in a socialist state, only basics needed for survival are created & shared (food, basic clothing, basic shelter, etc). None of the creature comforts these protesters are accustomed to (smart phones, iPods, Priuses, pro & college sports, the BK "Double Down"'burger, etc) wouldcontinue to evolve and be improved. Work is voluntary and you can be sure as sh$t Steve Jobs would have moved to a country that welcomed innovators and creators as the socialist USA would probably need to ban all i-thingys as there wouldn't be enough common wealth to standard issue them here.
Socialism doesn't work. It's failed everywhere. Look at Europe- their financial mess is because they can't afford to support their socialist programs, even with tax rates up to 65% in some countries. Look at the USSR- what a hotbed of innovation and creativity that place was! Look at Communist China. It's only now evolving as they are loosening restrictions on capitalist activity. Now more millionaires are being minted there every day than anywhere else in the world- I'm thinking the Occupy people wouldn't be thrilled with that inequality!
And furthermore, it's insulting to the millions of people who have fought for the FREEDOMS and DEMOCRACY we have here- all the way from the Colonists to those in uniform today. To just want to give up and call the country a failure because of 3 bad years of economic turmoil? What a joke. They would have starved during the Depression with that kind of attitude. It's hard to believe there "are no jobs" since my Fortune 500 company ROUTINELY has trouble filling openings because candidates are unprepared and unqualified.
My country 'tis of thee
Sweet Land of Liberty
Of thee I sing
Land where my fathers died
Land of the pilgrims pride
From every mountainside
LET FREEDOM RING!!!
That's a wonderful rant against a made up, marxist opponent in your head. The consesus of OWS has nothing to do with marxism or socialim.
That's just you are other right wingers slurring them.
they have said in nyc that they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with marxist socialism, they are discussing it in philly and in portland or
Then I'm sure you'll give us a source and a quote from OWS's leaders about how they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with Marxism? ....LOL
Your fellow right wing lemming just told me OWS doesn't have any leaders...so can you explain how you are able to determine the consensus of these protestors on "destroying capitalism"?
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Hmmm, call me crazy, but somehow that seems rather conspicuous in its absence from the agenda. Ron Paul wouldn't have forgotten to mention that.
