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Unprovoked? 3000 dead seems to be some provocation. Afghanistan was justified. The lack of WMDs notwithstanding, Iraq was justified. Iraq was acting as if the had WMD, we came to find out after the fact, to bluff Iran. If you think the Pakistanis were warm and fuzzy toward us prior to our killing Bin Laden, you would be wrong. Is all US intervention wise, nope. But given our strength, we show great restraint.
IMO opinion your views on the wars in the ME are in the minority. We are tired of being NeoConned into war in the Middle East. We no longer have the finances to be imperalists. We are broke and have been for some time.
Afghanistan was justified. The lack of WMDs notwithstanding, Iraq was justified. Iraq was acting as if the had WMD, we came to find out after the fact, to bluff Iran.
United States of 'Merica - World Police! Taking care of other people while we cannot take care of our own! Dun dun dun DUUUUUN!
Good luck with that. You can't put un ring the bell. No matter how much Paulistas want to withdraw from the world, we can't. We need them, they need us. The US can remain sovereign, while being part of the world.
Wow, I've just been called a "Paulista", lil' old me who has always been led about by the nose by the GOP to vote for their establishement candidates.
I prefer the label of Constitutional Conservative if identity politics is your primary concern.
I guess you can name call if that is the only defense you have to our government and representatives having sacrificed this nation's moral courage and character. Your arguement would seem to be to stay the course on that same morally and economically bankrupt road.
No, we cannot "un-ring" the bell. However, once it has been discovered that our government has made some very bad errors of judgement should we not have enough character and moral responsibility to return to the high road instead of continuing down the path which leads our country further away from the freedoms and liberties upon which it was founded?
United States of 'Merica - World Police! Taking care of other people while we cannot take care of our own! Dun dun dun DUUUUUN!
World police? My recollection of 9/11, and yours may be different, was we were attacked. So I guess in the sense that we are part of the world, your post may make some sense.
Wow, I've just been called a "Paulista", lil' old me who has always been led about by the nose by the GOP to vote for their establishement candidates.
I prefer the label of Constitutional Conservative if identity politics is your primary concern.
I guess you can name call if that is the only defense you have to our government and representatives having lost this nation's moral courage and character. Your arguement would seem to be to stay the course on that same morally and economically bankrupt road.
No, we cannot "un-ring" the bell. However, once it has been discovered that our government has made some very bad errors of judgement should we not have enough character and moral responsibility to return to the high road instead of continuing down the path which leads our country further away from the freedoms and liberties upon which it was founded?
Why do you view being called a Paulista as an insult?
I am not sure why you believe, accepting the fact that we need to be engaged with the world, means staying the course. As I think you know, I am a conservative so, of course I am in favor of a change in direction. Simply not the Paul direction.
IMO opinion your views on the wars in the ME are in the minority. We are tired of being NeoConned into war in the Middle East. We no longer have the finances to be imperalists. We are broke and have been for some time.
I am not interested if my view is shared by the majority. However, I can assure you it much more mainstream than anything Paul is promoting. I have never viewed the US as imperialist, because it isn't. We are not, nor have we ever been interested in being an empire.
Wow, I've just been called a "Paulista", lil' old me who has always been led about by the nose by the GOP to vote for their establishement candidates.
I prefer the label of Constitutional Conservative if identity politics is your primary concern.
I guess you can name call if that is the only defense you have to our government and representatives having sacrificed this nation's moral courage and character. Your arguement would seem to be to stay the course on that same morally and economically bankrupt road.
No, we cannot "un-ring" the bell. However, once it has been discovered that our government has made some very bad errors of judgement should we not have enough character and moral responsibility to return to the high road instead of continuing down the path which leads our country further away from the freedoms and liberties upon which it was founded?
Hallalujah, we agree on something. Finally, and that was a well written response indeed. I think Shorebaby is the only person that I have not agreed with on any point, and that is because he always approaches things from a neocon perspective IMO.
World police? My recollection of 9/11, and yours may be different, was we were attacked. So I guess in the sense that we are part of the world, your post may make some sense.
That was 10 years ago. We have lost more precious lives of our men and women in uniform overseas than those lost on 9/11. How long is long enough for vengance and retribution? What have we really done to protect the US soil? Have we secured our borders yet? Isn't this the first thing a nation under attack does, protect its own soil?
Why is it so difficult to recognize that the current actions and choices of our Commander-in-Chief make our nation less secure rather than more secure? We are insecure in our energy dependency, we are insecure with our national debt and economic recession/depression, and we are wearing out our physical defenses of human and machinery. We are repeating all the same mistakes we tricked the USSR into doing in the 1980's. Have we learned nothing from our mistakes or from history?
World police? My recollection of 9/11, and yours may be different, was we were attacked. So I guess in the sense that we are part of the world, your post may make some sense.
We were attacked by an ideology, not by a country. We've lost more men, woman, and money taking care of those **** poor countries than we lost in the big attack. Think of how we could have improved our own country with the rebuilding costs being thrown to the middle east. Hell with those wars.
I am not interested if my view is shared by the majority.
Well politicians should be, and the mainstream republican candidates are simply on the wrong side of this issue as compared to the general public. They are lucky they are going against Obama who seems to be on the same side of the line.
Christian fundamentalist long thought to be pro war in the Middle East have even soured on it, but apparently the GOP has not gotten the message. This is a great point for Paul to keep pounding.
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