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Old 11-01-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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What one party starts the other party finishes.
Haven't you realized that yet ?
Anybody who is paying attention realizes it.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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What you're typing on, and the money you got to buy it, is trickle down.
You're funny.

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Try getting that from a command economy.
They stopped teaching the fallacy of the excluded middle, now?
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:34 PM
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Nobody is proposing a command economy. Ever consider being honest?

Fact is that the internet itself was developed and is STILL maintained by the government.

Try getting that from the company store in a robber-baron economy.
The government wishes for a lot of things. Stalin, the Kims. The internet was developed more or less by the private, liberty- and choice-enabled--and motivated--Bolt Beranek and Newman.

And free enterprise, opportunity for growth, was the driver that got high speed cable and fiber to your door. Governments had sh- to with that. Governments had sh- to do with Apple.

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Old 11-01-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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The government wishes for a lot of things. The internet was developed more or less by Bolt Beranak and Newman.

And free enterprise, opportunity for growth, was the driver that got high speed cable and fiber to your door. Governments had sh- to with that.
Except for developing the internet. Enforcing the monopolies, supporting the infrastructure, passing NUMEROUS incentives for broadband.

But yeah, except for all that it was totally a Holy Free Market. Which is why Somalia has such fabulous internet access.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:47 PM
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If America had been under the thumb of empire like British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland, your opportunities for commercial development would be equally limited today.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:50 PM
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You're funny.

They stopped teaching the fallacy of the excluded middle, now?
What do you think a command economy is? You're actually arguing with this?!

What do you think top-down is? What a Five Year Plan is?
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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It's a horrible deal that no one in their right mind would take. I'd call it indentured servitude.
Yeah starving is where its at.

Why work when idiot liberals will give you money?
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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The government wishes for a lot of things. The internet was developed more or less by Bolt Beranak and Newman.
Fulfilling a Department of Defense contract. Let's not pretend it was a bunch of visionaries having a Heureka moment and risking their money on a throw of the dice - it was sweet, sweet government cheese. Just as the Web was developed on CERN's dime.

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And free enterprise, opportunity for growth, was the driver that got high speed cable and fiber to your door. Governments had sh- to with that.
If it hadn't been for government arm-twisting, rural areas would still be paying market price for their telecommunication. There's not much profit in delivering cable service to East Moosefark, Nebraska.

And holding the cable companies up as models of free market enterprises? You do know they're consequently on the list of the most loathed companies in the US? They hate competing in a free market almost as much as they hate giving their customers more than the absolute minimum of service. They do everything they can to squelch competition - including, but not limited to, having tame politicians write bills to dictation.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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What do you think a command economy is? You're actually arguing with this?!

What do you think top-down is? What a Five Year Plan is?
Let me recap:

It appears you're arguing that we're stuck with either trickle-down (or, as it was originally known, "horses and sparrows") or a command economy.

I'm pointing out that this is a classic example of the fallacy of the excluded middle.

Simple, I think.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Back to the issue of becoming a truck driver:

That's what I did. I was 60 when I sent myself off to school and got my license. Had no trouble landing a job; was paid $65,000 from the very beginning.
It was a good deal. I shelled out $3500, trained for a couple of months, and then made 65K. Compares well to a college education, I thought.
"Free Training"? No such thing; you're gonna pay for it, one way or the other. Better, you pay for it yourself and show up ready to work.

I lucked out and got a good job - at least for a trucker - because I was home every weekend, and usually one night during the week, too.
So I drove for 5 years, 750,000 miles. I ran into a lot of guys like me, whose careers had ended before they wanted them to. And we all found that trucking companies had no problem hiring older people for the work. Even today, I get offers; I know of 75 year old drivers being hired.

Glad I got a chance to do it, and glad I don't have to do it anymore.
Trade agreements aren't going to change anything about trucking. DOT and EPA are having an effect, though, and those are Democratic playthings, for the most part.
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