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I like how many people default to the claim that we want to end all corporations and banks. Give me a break. We just want them to stop gaming the system in order to maximize their profits.
Why punish those just following the rules set before them by our elected officials? If you leave a plate of cookies out, free for the taking, do you punish those who help themselves to the cookies or the one leaving the cookies out in the first place? The OWS crowd is so misguided. It is CONGRESS that allows the corporations to take our tax money and use it to reward the CEO with gigantic bonuses instead of increasing liquidity for consumers. Congress and Obama gave the money freely, without strings attached. No stipulations. The OWS crowd can't put 2 and 2 together to connect the dots though. Pretty sad, really.
They are whining and complaining about corporate greed, yet they wait on line for 12 hours in the rain to buy phones and computers from the corporation with the highest stock price, the most cash on hand, selling the most expensive stuff, having the highest profit margin.
Then they go the Starbuck, pay $6 for a cup of coffee and sit there for hours playing with their new toy.
Why punish those just following the rules set before them by our elected officials? If you leave a plate of cookies out, free for the taking, do you punish those who help themselves to the cookies or the one leaving the cookies out in the first place? The OWS crowd is so misguided. It is CONGRESS that allows the corporations to take our tax money and use it to reward the CEO with gigantic bonuses instead of increasing liquidity for consumers. Congress and Obama gave the money freely, without strings attached. No stipulations. The OWS crowd can't put 2 and 2 together to connect the dots though. Pretty sad, really.
You realize that OWS isn't JUST about Wall Street, right? Political corruption is at the heart of most of our complaints too, which is why most occupy movements are not supporting candidates or parties, they are protesting a broken system. Wall Street and Washington have basically become one entity, and most of us have put 2 and 2 together long ago. They are occupying in DC too and making this argument regarding political corruption quite aggressively.
By the way, you make it sound like these institutions are just following the rules, instead of using their economic power to change the rules in their favor.
I like how many people default to the claim that we want to end all corporations and banks. Give me a break. We just want them to stop gaming the system in order to maximize their profits.
Quit buying their products. Facts don't seem to do anything but frustrate you and make you angrier.
Occupy movements are not against the production of cell phones and computers, and such tools help us communicate with each other and spread our message to the world.
Most of the people I've met at these movements weren't communists or socialists, as the OP insinuates, but normal people who believe that we have a society where economic power translates too easily into political power, leaving the majority of people out in the cold when it comes to our "democratic" process.
As someone else said, there is a case to be made for using the master's tools. We're all complicit in the system (by necessity, it is basically everywhere), but arguments like these don't really make sense to me. I don't want corporations to end, I want them to stop having undue influence over my politicians, and I want my politicians to stop selling themselves out in order to fund their re-election campaigns.
These companies that the Occupy anarchists like to use to spread their message of anti-capitalism only exist because of financing.
If it weren't for the evil banks the Apples and Googles and Whole Foods of the world would not exist.
When Starbucks (another liberal favorite) needs financing do they go to socialist organizations or do they go to the banks?
Why punish those just following the rules set before them by our elected officials? If you leave a plate of cookies out, free for the taking, do you punish those who help themselves to the cookies or the one leaving the cookies out in the first place? The OWS crowd is so misguided. It is CONGRESS that allows the corporations to take our tax money and use it to reward the CEO with gigantic bonuses instead of increasing liquidity for consumers. Congress and Obama gave the money freely, without strings attached. No stipulations. The OWS crowd can't put 2 and 2 together to connect the dots though. Pretty sad, really.
Here's the part you're missing--why exactly would Congress do that? Do you think it might have something to do with huge campaign contributions and payoffs from big business lobbyists? You're right--our elected leaders have been bought and sold. That's why people are protesting big business--they're the ones doing the buying, and working to have the rules changed in their favor to begin with. If they can't buy laws anymore--if we put campaign finance laws back in place and we put some common sense regs in that hold the financial industry accountable, the problem goes away.
Right now, Congress has no reason to end the payoffs. Nothing is going to change until the American public makes such a huge stink that it out weighs any money they might receive, and they believe they're in real danger of losing their jobs if they don't make changes fast. That's the point of OWS.
You realize that OWS isn't JUST about Wall Street, right? Political corruption is at the heart of most of our complaints too, which is why most occupy movements are not supporting candidates or parties, they are protesting a broken system. Wall Street and Washington have basically become one entity, and most of us have put 2 and 2 together long ago. They are occupying in DC too and making this argument regarding political corruption quite aggressively.
By the way, you make it sound like these institutions are just following the rules, instead of using their economic power to change the rules in their favor.
This is probably worthless, but....
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Definition of DEMOCRACY
1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
That means you're responsible for whatever ails you. Your parents are responsible for whatever ails you. Your grandparents are responsible for whatever ails you. That's how democracies work (temporarily).
They are whining and complaining about corporate greed, yet they wait on line for 12 hours in the rain to buy phones and computers from the corporation with the highest stock price, the most cash on hand, selling the most expensive stuff, having the highest profit margin.
Then they go the Starbuck, pay $6 for a cup of coffee and sit there for hours playing with their new toy.
Making money is GREAT. It's the American dream. I don't begrudge anyone becoming rich. It only becomes a problem when the people with the most money buy our elections and then work to have laws changed in their favor so it hurts the rest of us.
Quit buying their products. Facts don't seem to do anything but frustrate you and make you angrier.
Jon, you're not supplying any facts, and you don't know anything about my personal purchasing habits. The only frustration I feel is towards those who are more interested in offering empty rejoinders than having an actual conversation.
For instance, see your pedantic offering of the definition of Democracy, when most of the protesters are pointing out that our democratic process is fundamentally broken due to the collusion between big business and Washington.
Jon, you're not supplying any facts, and you don't know anything about my personal purchasing habits. The only frustration I feel is towards those who are more interested in offering empty rejoinders than having an actual conversation.
For instance, see your pedantic offering of the definition of Democracy, when most of the protesters are pointing out that our democratic process is fundamentally broken due to the collusion between big business and Washington.
So says the 49% every single time....
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