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Old 10-18-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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how does learning Spanish have anything to do with pledging allegiance to Mexico? Its astounding some of you are failing to see this teacher's agenda. Since when would I have to pledge allegiance to Germany in order to learn German? That same teacher said to her students the US stole this land from Mexico. How does that also apply to learning Spanish? It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the teacher's intentions were.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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I am absolutely flabbergasted by all of the people asking what Mexico has to do with Spanish class. Are you all just being willfully ignorant?

We are Mexico's biggest trading partners. A student is much more likely to need to use Mexican Spanish in international business or daily life than use Spain Spanish - especially in Texas. In Massachusetts (where I live and went to college), many students learn Puerto Rican Spanish and Quebecois French. In NYC, you might learn Dominican Spanish. It's the same reason that American and Canadian English teachers are much more in demand in Asia, the Middle East, and South America (and can often command a higher salary) than British English teachers. And the opposite is true for English teachers in Central and Eastern Europe.

Very few schools teach straight up Castellano because it's virtually useless for an American student. My first few years of learning Spanish were taught in a very moderated accent similar to Bolivian or Colombian to make it easier to understand. In later years, the teachers would change it up. Sure, we learned about Spanish culture (and one year of Spanish class was dedicated just to learning the history of Spain in Spanish - and yes, we recited the pledge and even sang Socialist songs from the Spanish Civil War) - but we spent a lot more time over my 7 years of Spanish public school education and 3 years of Spanish college education studying Mexican and other Latin American cultures, language, and accent.

I would think people would be happy that their children were learning something useful. But I guess that's the catch - learning. Such a dirty word.

For reference, I studied Spanish for give or take 9 years and then studied abroad in Mexico for a semester. The following semester, I studied in England and traveled to Spain. It was very difficult to understand them or be understood myself because the accents and even many of the words are so different. Friends who had also studied abroad in Argentina and Chile had similar issues. Spain is a place that a student is a lot more likely to visit briefly than to ever do business with.

You are using the plural "we are Mexicos biggest trading partners" in your response. Has the U.S. been partitioned when I wasn't looking or are you including Canada in your "flabbergast"?

Here's the point: The learning of the Spanish language; castellano or idiomatic; should not require the anthem or allegiance pledge of any foreign country be recited PERIOD!

When you were learning French; yes the idiomatic Canadien Quebcois kind, was your class required to recite the Canadian pledge of allegiance and anthem? Why not; we're your biggest exporter of oil and you're our largest trading partner?
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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And what say you of the practice of allowing American schoolchildren
to opt out of saying the Pledge of Allegiance to our flag?

And by the way, you may have missed it in the article but this is a classroom of
high schoolers, not 5-yr-olds. HTH.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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The Texas language curriculum states that both the language and culture will be taught. Based on my own past history and that of others on this board the culture aspect has most likely been part of the curriculum requirements around the United States for years.

There is no indication that the teacher has an agenda. Having listened to the Father's interview with Glenn Beck it is clear that the Father has an agenda.
You're ignoring the statements made by the teacher herself when interviewed by the press ie: "Texas was stolen from Mexico". You then go to the father having an agenda because he is standing firm on the issue of the pledge and anthem when interviewed by Beck.

No where and at no time has it been claimed by anyone, us, the father, the girl herself that they object to the teaching of the Spanish language (idiomatic or otherwise) or the culture aspect of a variety of spansh speaking countries.

You obviously need more (any) French Canadiens to invade your country illegally to put this issue into proper perspective.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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how does learning Spanish have anything to do with pledging allegiance to Mexico? Its astounding some of you are failing to see this teacher's agenda. Since when would I have to pledge allegiance to Germany in order to learn German? That same teacher said to her students the US stole this land from Mexico. How does that also apply to learning Spanish? It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the teacher's intentions were.
Where did you get that the "same teacher said to her students the US stole this land from Mexico"?
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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You are using the plural "we are Mexicos biggest trading partners" in your response. Has the U.S. been partitioned when I wasn't looking or are you including Canada in your "flabbergast"?

Here's the point: The learning of the Spanish language; castellano or idiomatic; should not require the anthem or allegiance pledge of any foreign country be recited PERIOD!

When you were learning French; yes the idiomatic Canadien Quebcois kind, was your class required to recite the Canadian pledge of allegiance and anthem? Why not; we're your biggest exporter of oil and you're our largest trading partner?
I meant to say "one of". Chemo brain, and all.

There is no Canadian pledge of allegiance - good try though. There is an oath of allegiance but that is only for military and government workers being sworn in - I learned that in French 4: "Je, charolastra, jure que je serai fidèle et porterai une vraie allégeance à Sa Majesté la Reine Élisabeth II". We did learn O Canada and God Save the Queen in French and one teacher (whose husband was from Montreal but was American) had us sing O Canada weekly.

My host sister in Mexico was required to know the American pledge of allegiance in her English class. This is not unique to the curriculum of this one class - it's incredibly normal in foreign language classes worldwide.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Where did you get that the "same teacher said to her students the US stole this land from Mexico"?
Look it up on google. The father also said the same thing in his interview.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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You're ignoring the statements made by the teacher herself when interviewed by the press ie: "Texas was stolen from Mexico". You then go to the father having an agenda because he is standing firm on the issue of the pledge and anthem when interviewed by Beck.

No where and at no time has it been claimed by anyone, us, the father, the girl herself that they object to the teaching of the Spanish language (idiomatic or otherwise) or the culture aspect of a variety of spansh speaking countries.

You obviously need more (any) French Canadiens to invade your country illegally to put this issue into proper perspective.
Can you provide a link with the Teacher saying that "Texas was stolen from Mexico"?

I'm saying the father has an agenda based on the other comments he made surrounding the issue of the pledge and anthem. As an example, he clearly he objects to people flying the Mexican flag in the U.S.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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I meant to say "one of". Chemo brain, and all.

There is no Canadian pledge of allegiance - good try though. There is an oath of allegiance but that is only for military and government workers being sworn in - I learned that in French 4: "Je, charolastra, jure que je serai fidèle et porterai une vraie allégeance à Sa Majesté la Reine Élisabeth II". We did learn O Canada and God Save the Queen in French and one teacher (whose husband was from Montreal but was American) had us sing O Canada weekly.

My host sister in Mexico was required to know the American pledge of allegiance in her English class. This is not unique to the curriculum of this one class - it's incredibly normal in foreign language classes worldwide.
Mexico is a separate country with separate laws, rules & regulations.
They can pick & choose to do as they please.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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America gives them Green Cards and gives them jobs, why shouldn't they think that we're here to help them.
Take away the work visa's and they have to stay in Mexico.
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