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Old 10-17-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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As I said, the MSNBC talking head is an idiot. Money has always been part of politics, particularly in the US, and it always will be part of politics. Individuals can contribute directly to the candidate of their choice, or they can contribute to PACs that support their political ideology. Political contributions are a form of protected speech. If you have a problem with that I can recommend several other nations that do not have free speech.
How about publicly funded elections, or strict limits on contributions? No unions, no corporate money--just a battle between two people over who has the best track record and ideas, and who don't owe a dime to anyone once they win?
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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I don't see anyone standing up for Obama over this thing--pay attention. I'll vote for whoever works the hardest to clean this mess up, and I don't care which side they're on.

I haven't seen much criticism of him either.

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Old 10-17-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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Um, have him stop doing that? Your question was pretty rhetorical, so it came across as biased bickering. How is discussing the OP ranting? I have been clear, I am in agreement that we need to get the money out of politics. Are you?
Then how will one know who the candidates are? Lobbyists yes. How do you do that is the question? Someone was campaigning saying it would all change with him in office. Has it? Nope only gotten worse.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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Then you will be voting for Ron Paul I take it?
Ron Paul is outside the system, and he doesn't have a chance in you know what of getting the nomination because of his other views. This has to be a change within entire parties--not just one person. I think it needs to be the litmus test that EVERY candidate is held to. If enough people are mad, they can make it happen. I think the biggest strength of OWS is that it's nonpartisan--you stay out of the party politics, and you put the same pressure on everyone.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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So you said you'll vote for whoever will clean this mess up and then make excuses for why you won't vote for Paul. LOL
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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I haven't seen much criticism of him either.

Actually, Romney has already raised more corporate money than Obama. You can't blame either of them right now--they can't win without it, because that's how our system is set up to work. We have to change the way elections work so we don't depend on special interests to fund them. That solves the problem.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Ron Paul is outside the system, and he doesn't have a chance in you know what of getting the nomination because of his other views. This has to be a change within entire parties--not just one person. I think it needs to be the litmus test that EVERY candidate is held to. If enough people are mad, they can make it happen. I think the biggest strength of OWS is that it's nonpartisan--you stay out of the party politics, and you put the same pressure on everyone.

Of course its partisan! Again, there is little if any criticism of Obama, the largest recipient of Wall Street and corporate money.

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Old 10-17-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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So you said you'll vote for whoever will clean this mess up and then make excuses for why you won't vote for Paul. LOL
Paul has zero power in the R party, and he's not going to get the nomination, so it's a non issue. I'd like to see the actual candidates explain how they're going to handle this. You're thinking too small here--the elections are over a year away. If this becomes the biggest issue of 2012, everyone is going to have to take a stand, one way or another.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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So you said you'll vote for whoever will clean this mess up and then make excuses for why you won't vote for Paul. LOL
I think moving back to the mid 1970s would be preferable to moving back to the mid 1800s, but that's just me.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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Of course its partisan! Again, there is little if any criticism of Obama, the largest recipient of Wall Street and corporate money.
Now you're just being silly. First, give me one instance where these protests have turned in to an Obama love fest. Second, take a look at where the money came from in 2010. Obama deserves criticism, but to not throw it just as hard at the republicans is a joke, and I'm a R.
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