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Old 10-19-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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Prisons, at least, should have pot farms run by the inmates.

Tobacco farms, too!
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: California
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I understand the difference fine. Do I think anyone should be able to buy it at the convenience store? No. I have a house full of teenagers.

A prescription, or some kind of license to grow your own for medical purposes, works for me.
Are your teenagers smarter than you? Because I'm sure they could punch holes in your stance in about 1.2 seconds. I know I can, but someone beat me to the punch.

Why do IDIOTS equate legalized pot with kids being able to buy it at 7-11? Can you not think of one thing that is legal now that kids can't buy? REALLY?
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Old 10-20-2011, 12:06 AM
 
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Are your teenagers smarter than you? Because I'm sure they could punch holes in your stance in about 1.2 seconds. I know I can, but someone beat me to the punch.

Why do IDIOTS equate legalized pot with kids being able to buy it at 7-11? Can you not think of one thing that is legal now that kids can't buy? REALLY?
That's pretty harsh Ceece. When marijuana is legalized, it will most likely have some conditions. Maybe you are right about the reality of teenagers access to pot. However, legislation of drugs is not about reality. it's about fear, perception and money.
In Mexico, you can buy many prescription drugs over the counter. We could allow that here too. That will never happen for the above reasons.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:29 AM
 
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Are your teenagers smarter than you? Because I'm sure they could punch holes in your stance in about 1.2 seconds. I know I can, but someone beat me to the punch.

Why do IDIOTS equate legalized pot with kids being able to buy it at 7-11? Can you not think of one thing that is legal now that kids can't buy? REALLY?
I can't. They can certainly find someone to buy them beer and any kind of liquor. Guns also if they want them.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:33 AM
 
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Always been in favor of it being legalized. Natural happy drug that doesnt send you to the hospital if you take too much or drink a beer with it. And the econmy would get a HUGE boost if weed becomes privatized. That I can garantee. All this stuff to keep it illegal is to keep man made depressants the only option and have investors, ceo's, and poltiticans pockets full(thats why they are pushing for medicare for everyone, more products to bloat prices and a lot more money for them). Weed would put a huge dent in that and thats why it will never be legalized.

For all the nay sayers, everthing that has a good effect has a bad effect. Get off your damn pedastal. Food makes you gain weight, get high cholestral, etc but no one makes it illegal. (Just a comparison to food, not that I want to make food illegal .) Weed is not a gateway drug either, know many folks (some are successful small business owners) who smoke it and have never even thought about doing man made drugs such as coke or meth. B.S. lies to keep people "thinking" its all bad when it aint.
The economy won't be improved because of drugs, but I think we can be sure they will legalize every kind of drug. Potheads will be much easier to control and potheads don't mind or notice problems like unemployment.

And yes, someone can get filthy rich off selling drugs and money is all that matters.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:34 AM
 
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Are your teenagers smarter than you? Because I'm sure they could punch holes in your stance in about 1.2 seconds. I know I can, but someone beat me to the punch.

Why do IDIOTS equate legalized pot with kids being able to buy it at 7-11? Can you not think of one thing that is legal now that kids can't buy? REALLY?
Legalizing it WILL make it easier to get. Calling people who disagree with you an idiot doesn't exactly help you make your case. My children could get drugs now if they wanted to, but it's not an easy thing, unlike alcohol. (believe it or not, they actually talk to us pretty openly and honestly) Legalizing it for recreational use also eliminates a big chunk of the stigma against it. Kids have enough pressure these days that I don't think it makes sense to add one more. Like I said--it's an effective drug for pain and nausea treatment, and it should be treated like a medication, not a "good time." I don't take other medications for fun--I take them to treat an illness--so why would I think this would be ok?

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Old 10-20-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Legalizing it WILL make it easier to get.
It might make it less complicated to get marijuana; that could be true...
It certainly would make it less problematic for them in the event that they succeed.

But that still has more to do with the unprocessed ag product natural state of it...
than with any of the regulation aspects.

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My children could get drugs now if they wanted to,
but it's not an easy thing, unlike alcohol.
This is where you're just flat out wrong.
No matter what your kids may be telling you.

It is FAR easier for them to buy the illegal things...
than it is to buy the legal ones.

And this raises yet another aspect of the problem with prohibition.
In order to buy they must voluntarily expose themselves to people who are operating in a "criminal enterprise"... and by extension expose themselves to any/all of the other criminal activities that person may be involved in.

Compare that to what they will do to get some beer:
Sneak a couple of bottles out of the frig?
Or maybe get their friends older brother to buy a six pack?

hth
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Old 10-20-2011, 07:54 AM
 
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It might make it less complicated to get marijuana; that could be true...
It certainly would make it less problematic for them in the event that they succeed.

But that still has more to do with the unprocessed ag product natural state of it...
than with any of the regulation aspects.



This is where you're just flat out wrong.
No matter what your kids may be telling you.

It is FAR easier for them to buy the illegal things...
than it is to buy the legal ones.

And this raises yet another aspect of the problem with prohibition.
In order to buy they must voluntarily expose themselves to people who are operating in a "criminal enterprise"... and by extension expose themselves to any/all of the other criminal activities that person may be involved in.

Compare that to what they will do to get some beer:
Sneak a couple of bottles out of the frig?
Or maybe get their friends older brother to buy a six pack?

hth
I was a kid in the 60's/70's--I'm not stupid. Alcohol was a no brainer then and it's a no brainer now--it's easier buy because people who can legally purchase it can get it easily, and they can pass it on down to kids. Drugs are more difficult from the start. If drugs were legal for adults, they would just as easily be passed on down to kids.

We're lucky that we don't have a huge drug problem in our school district (a few kids, but fortunately the athletes aren't into it, so it's not cool--our district is tiny) but alcohol IS a huge issue. Some parents just give it to their kids and their friends, with the mindset that they'd rather have them drink at home vs. in a cornfield. We've been really lucky with our boys, but there's constant peer pressure. They're popular kids, which really helps.

Personally, I think marijuana possession in small amounts should be decriminalized or be a very minor offense, but they should throw the book at people who deal it.
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Old 10-20-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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I was a kid in the 60's/70's...
me too.

I think marijuana possession in small amounts should be decriminalized...
Well, that's moving in the right direction at least.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Well, that's moving in the right direction at least.
You won't like this--I don't think it should be legal to buy or sell it without a prescription, but if you get caught with a small amount it shouldn't ruin your life.

I will say this though--we were in Amsterdam this summer, and it was interesting. We stayed out of the red light district, but the coffee shops are all over the Dam square area. It was extremely low key. I talked to the woman who rented our apartment to us, and she said the biggest problem they had was with tourists who get out of control vs. local people, who don't treat it as a big deal. My biggest concern really is having one more thing that can hurt children if they have easier access to it, but I also understand that we make smoking pot "forbidden fruit" with the stigma we have in this country against it. I'll be honest--I struggle with this issue.
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