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As for Louisiana, I can't wait to see how the state sends in the storm troopers with the tear gas, LRAD, riot gear, to shut down granny's garage sale. There should be lots of good video up an coming.
Maybe we could all just trade. I wonder how the government would handle that.
It's not that far out of reality. They've don SWAT raids on farmers selling raw milk.
In all fairness to neo-progressives, it's only a stupid law because a (R) signed it. If Obama signed a national version of this, it would be demeed necessary to reign in those evil black marketers trying to avoid taxes vis-a-vis cash transactions.
Trading won't cut it with goverment. As a business transaction, you can't trade a Rolex watch for a flower pot without a goverment form being involved. Watch is worth $10,000, flower pot $1, therefor the person getting the watch has a $9999 gain. Business bartering is the same thing. Government forms involved. Plumber fixes your toilet, you fix his computer. Someone has a gain and the IRS wants their cut of the action.
But they have to catch people trading, don't they...... not likely.
This will vastly increase the costs for the mom-and-pop businesses and rather than spend a lot money (which they don't have) to comply to this, they will just shut down. Guess who that benefits? The big box stores who already have the infrastructure to process credit/debit cards and checks. I bet they lobbied to get this law in place.
However, this has nothing to do with paying 'legal debts' with US currency.
The bill has to do with those who operate a business in which they purchase items, such as copper, railroad ties, etc, in order to resale. No legal debt is involved.
So, a person pulls up to a junkyard with a pickup truck full of copper piping, for example, and wishes to sell said copper to the owner. The owner cannot pay the seller cash, but must use a check, money order, etc., as explained in the law.
If I have a booth in a flea market and some dude wants to sell me a slightly used SUV for a grand I would say no thanks because the SUV already has a paper trail. If they wanted to sell me an old blender for a buck I would do the deal and try to sell the blender for $5 and be happy if I got $3 for it.
I may be a leftist but making paper slaves of everone is absurd. Government has its place and garage sales and flea markets are not them.
However, this has nothing to do with paying 'legal debts' with US currency.
The bill has to do with those who operate a business in which they purchase items, such as copper, railroad ties, etc, in order to resale. No legal debt is involved.
So, a person pulls up to a junkyard with a pickup truck full of copper piping, for example, and wishes to sell said copper to the owner. The owner cannot pay the seller cash, but must use a check, money order, etc., as explained in the law.
There is an exclusion that would apply to most "Granny Garage Seller" in that this only applies to those selling more than once a month.
It does not exclude the small (for instance) eBay seller that does buy to re-sell and sells more than once a month.
It can be argued that they are conducting a business and thus far have escaped detection as to whether or not business profits have been declared however, can you see the Salvation Army or Goodwill checking to see who is and who isn't doing this?
Is the fact that these transactions will probably be overlooked and not pursued be acceptable? IOW a law that may not be implemented but makes people lawbreakers?
Had to come back and edit when I rememberd that Goodwill etc wasn't a valid example as non-profits were exempted
Last edited by old_cold; 10-21-2011 at 06:49 AM..
Reason: wrong example used
First off, most Louisiana state legislatures who have an (R) by their name were once Democrats or are RINO Republicans who never met a tax or fee they didn't like and vote for. Someone mentioned corruption in Louisiana politics. This is very true. However, the worst of our state's corruption involves members of the Democratic party. A fine example is former governor Edwin Edwards who was recently released from federal prison. Governor Jindal, while having no corruption scandals, isn't living up to the promises and plans he said in his debates during his campaign. During his campaign, he made frequent guest appearances in our state's local conservative radio show, Moon Griffon. However, after he was elected and Moon Griffon began being critical of things Jindal was doing, or not doing, Governor Jindal never once appeared on his show again. He was really hard on Jindal for spending so much time out of state and appearing on national TV rather than working to improve the state. Some Louisiana politicians managed to pass a bill they call economic development when in fact it was to create a man made lake which just happen to be in an area where he and some of his friends and family own land. Louisiana have plenty of ponds and lakes so if a lake was "economic development", we'd be a rich state. At one time, Democratic party politicians had the state and or local police act as their enforcers. Some would get re-elected by having the police round up a large group of drunks or men who wanted to get drunk, lock them in a building with booze, then the next morning take them to the Polls and told exactly who to vote for. This was allowed because they would tell the poll workers the men couldn't read or write and required assistance to vote. When current senator Mary Landrieu first ran for office and appeared she was falling behind, large tour buses were sent into the 9th ward. They went door to door to pick up people. Once they were on the bus, no one could see inside due to the limo tint bus windows. Several bus loads moved close to 10,000 or more "voters" to the polls in one day. This is an old system which is usually followed by these "voters" being paid with cash and or booze for them to vote for the "correct candidate". Because of the limo tint and the corruption of the system, no one was able to prove money changed hands. As for the copper thefts, that's very real. Some people have installed a steel cage around their home AC unit, even window units. In one recent case, an old lady's unit was stolen from inside a steel cage. What's kind of funny is an AC repair company had their office AC stolen during the workday. My cousin's wife works there as their secretary and dispatcher.
When hard time hit even nailing stuff down is not enough. Things have to be welded down. Around here scrap dealers ask where you got the junk. Saying you just replaced your plumbing is not good enough.
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