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Old 10-25-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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also claud you never answered the question, why did you not speak up about the "2parent" theory during the 2008 compaign?

 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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I can read the Constitution without the Supreme Court's assistance, thank you. Just for general info, Supreme Court Justices are appointed, not elected.
O'Bama wants to pack the Supreme Court with Saudi Arabian citizens.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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If what you say about the Zone not being US territory at the time of his birth is accurate, then you would be correct. He would not be eligible. The only way a person born in Kenya could be eligible would be if they had been born inside the US Embassy compound.
actually the US embassy is not considered "US soil" either. another popular misconception.

as for panama:

"Until the rulings in these so-called "Insular Cases", children born of two U.S. citizens in the Canal Zone had been subject to the Naturalization Act of 1795, which granted statutory U.S. citizenship at birth. With the ruling of 1905 persons born in the Canal Zone only became U.S. nationals, not citizens.[29] This no man's land with regard to U.S. citizenship was perpetuated until Congress passed legislation in 1937, which corrected this deficiency."

Panama Canal Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yet 2008 congress declared mccain a NBC based on the fact that both his parents were US citizens.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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yet 2008 congress declared mccain a NBC based on the fact that both his parents were US citizens.
Congress doesn't have the authority to interpret the Constitution. The USSC does that. McCain wouldn't be eligible.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Just because you buy into the propoganda doesn't mean I do.
So US Supreme Court rulings are propaganda now?

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You are the one spewing the lies, thinking if you say it enough, people will believe it's true.
Funny how my "lies" are supported by several US Supreme Court Cases, and real constitutional Scholars.

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There is a little army of you Obots out there working full time.
Better check that tin foil hat you're wearing, seems that you're still hearing voices.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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Congress doesn't have the authority to interpret the Constitution. The USSC does that. McCain wouldn't be eligible.
actually, he would be. He was born to two US Citizen parents (that's all that is needed by established US Code. I'm sure his parents were both US Citizens for a minimum of 5 years after their 14th birthday). He was also born on a Military base so just more to support that he is an NBC.

Congress can pass laws that the Supreme Court interprets.

The correction was made in 1937 (when congress passed a law) that made those born in the Panama Canal to US parents are natural born citizens retroactive.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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If both his parents were US Citizens and even though born abroad, he'd still be a Natural Born Citizen.
Not necessarily for the Constitutional purpose of being eligible for the Presidency. Here's what the U.S. State Dept has to say about that:
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It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

The reason for that? Someone born abroad may have also been born with foreign citizenship by nature of their birth location.

Obama was also born a foreign citizen by nature of his foreign citizen father, which also calls into question his Constitutional eligibility.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Not necessarily for the Constitutional purpose of being eligible for the Presidency. Here's what the U.S. State Dept has to say about that:http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
From your link:

7 FAM 1131.2 Prerequisites for Transmitting U.S.
Citizenship
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
Since 1790, there have been two prerequisites for transmitting U.S.
citizenship to children born abroad:

(1) At least one natural parent must have been a U.S. citizen when the
child was born. The only exception is for a posthumous child.
(2) The U.S. citizen parent(s) must have resided or been physically
present in the United States for the time required by the law in
effect when the child was born.
7

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The reason for that? Someone born abroad may have also been born with foreign citizenship by nature of their birth location.
The US doesn't care what citizenship a citizen may earn by being born in another country. We are afforded to have dual/triple/quadruple citizenship in the US. The US recognizes

Those born here in America, to a British citizen parent and US Citizen parent, will earn both Birtish and American citizenship. Again, how does one being born abroad differ from those born on US soil to a parent who isn't a citizen?

As long as US Citizenship is in the mix, the US law doesn't care.

The issue would be with that foreign citizenship, but most times, the child won't earn it, because the laws of that foreign country requires the child to give up the US citizenship. As we know, minor children, let alone a baby, can't give up its own citizenship.

As for British citizenship, the child will continue to have it, until he/she reaches the age of majority (21), at which time he/she must renounce his/her US citizenship or let his/her British citizenship lapse.

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Obama was also born a foreign citizen by nature of his foreign citizen father, which also calls into question his Constitutional eligibility.
Wrong it doesn't. There have been several US POTUS, Candidates and Vice Presidents who have dual citizenship's and went on just fine.

Thomas Jefferson chose to become a naturalized French Citizen before he became President of the US.

Spiro Agnew was born to immigrants, his father didn't naturalize till Spiro was at least 10 years old.

Chester A Arthur was born to an immigrant father, who didn't naturalize till after Chester was born.

anyone who thinks that this is an issue, has never looked into the past presidents and their history.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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actually, he would be. He was born to two US Citizen parents (that's all that is needed by established US Code. I'm sure his parents were both US Citizens for a minimum of 5 years after their 14th birthday). He was also born on a Military base so just more to support that he is an NBC.

Congress can pass laws that the Supreme Court interprets.

The correction was made in 1937 (when congress passed a law) that made those born in the Panama Canal to US parents are natural born citizens retroactive.
Without proper DNA evidence we will never know who is real parents were.
 
Old 10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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If what you say about the Zone not being US territory at the time of his birth is accurate, then you would be correct. He would not be eligible. The only way a person born in Kenya could be eligible would be if they had been born inside the US Embassy compound.
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Congress doesn't have the authority to interpret the Constitution. The USSC does that. McCain wouldn't be eligible.
The Senate passed a resolution making McCain a "natural born citizen". Obama voted for it. In return, McCain apparently did nothing to curb this band of goons that question Obama's citizenship.

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