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Old 11-06-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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The Constitution is the law of the land and no individual or mob may supercede it.

If they could, it would be rule of something else.

 
Old 11-06-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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They are referring to selection of a word. Not to the purposes or priorities of the Constitution.
The Constitution itself is living proof we are not subject to a king.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The Constitution itself is living proof we are not subject to a king.
That was true for a full eleven years before we even had a Constitution. Hence, that can hardly have been one of the Constitution's purposes or priorities.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The Vatican is not one of the three. The three are US, Irish and French.
Which of his parents was not a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth?
 
Old 11-06-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Which of his parents was not a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth?
You seem very confused. You have been corrected on your error here at least twice now. Perhaps the third time will be a charm?

Both his parents were American citizens. He was also a born citizen of the US, France and Ireland.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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You seem very confused. You have been corrected on your error here at least twice now. Perhaps the third time will be a charm?

Both his parents were American citizens.
The only SCOTUS definition of Constitutional NBC:
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"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
Minor v. Happersett

We KNOW Kennedy was born in the U.S. So that, along with his U.S. citizen parents at the time of his birth, makes him... a Constitutional NBC and therefore, eligible.

YOU seem to be the one confused.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Nice reference site, Ergo.

Thanks for posting!
ditto that
 
Old 11-06-2011, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Oh? Several?

You are just making this up.

The Venus Case did not, since it used a translation of Vattel that did not include the phrase "natural born citizen" at all. And Dred Scott (a decision so bad the Constitution was Amended to correct it) is exactly "one."

You want to give us a list of these several others?

It is easy to debunk the spin of the perpetual Obot.


"Vattel: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens." Chief Justice Fuller
 
Old 11-06-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It is easy to debunk the spin of the perpetual Obot.

"Vattel: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens." Chief Justice Fuller
Perhaps you did not notice, DC. That's the dissent. It is the argument that lost.

So... we are still at a single example of where a Supreme Court decision cited Vattel. Dred Scott.

A single one.

Want to try again to find us that "several" about which which you have so publicly hallucinated?
 
Old 11-06-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Lets continue for a moment with the rest of the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court statement quoting Vattel:

"As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it.

The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;

and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born.

I say that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

Book I, c. 19, § 212.

"The true bond which connects the child with the body politic is not the matter of an inanimate piece of land, but the moral relations of his parentage... .

The place of birth produces no change in the rule that children follow the condition of their fathers, for it is not naturally the place of birth that gives rights, but extraction."
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