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How can there be a verbal contract between a person and an inanimate object? What you write here makes no sense at all. There is a reason we take oaths. They are the public assumption of a personal obligation. A person cannot testify in a court of law if someone else takes the oath for them. A person cannot be commissioned in the military if someone else takes the oath for them. And it is simply absurd to pretend that the Congress can assert someone is liable for the personal obligation of an oath they have never taken.
But not the power to break your allegiances with other nations (or even our own nation) absent your personal volition. I refer you to the SCOTUS case that essentially established the legality of American Dual Citizenship; Afroyim v. Rusk. In it, the court established that Congress does not have the power to "divest a person of his United States citizenship absent his voluntary renunciation thereof." If they cannot divest a person of our own citizenship, how can they do so for the citizenship awarded by another nation?
It is the common sense principle of "Once Removed".
False. I already posted the Italian law YOU linked but neglected to read.
Not a lie at all. It says, right on the form that it is an application for recognition of citizenship.
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Anyone APPLYING for Italian citizenship must provide evidence ofvalidfiliation which then must be officially approved BEFORE they are granted the status of Italian citizen. It's NOT automatic.
Again... this is identical to the UK and Obama's situation. It would be idiotic in the extreme for a country to grant the rights associated with citizenship to somebody who simply showed up one day and claimed them without any evidence that they actually were citizens. We are providing "evidence of valid filiation (sic)" every time we show our passport at customs. In fact... just to originally get the passport we had to "provide evidence of valid filiation (sic)" even those us of us born here to citizen parents.
Certainly, you would not pretend that the citizenship of children born on US soil of 2 citizen parents is not automatic simply because they have to prove it before they get a passport. Or do you?
Anyone applying to have their Italian citizenship recognized must prove they are actually are Italian citizens.
If anyone finds this to be politically unethical one way or the other specially for the Presidency, it is meaningless since SCOTUS defined NBC in Minor as a person born in a country of citizen parents, period.
Oh... not "period." There were a few sentences following that definition that extended the discussion. And they left a great big 'to be continued" in the place of your imaginary "period."
The point is that foreign citizenship, dual citizenship, although legal, has no mandate over US Citizenship laws, therefore unless someone renounces US citizenship, it does not affect the provisions of loyalty and allegiance already established in the Naturalization laws and throughout the intent of the Constitution. If anyone finds this to be politically unethical one way or the other specially for the Presidency, it is meaningless since SCOTUS defined NBC in Minor as a person born in a country of citizen parents, period.
It says, right on the form that it is an application for recognition of citizenship.
No. Anyone APPLYING for Italian citizenship must provide evidence ofvalid filiation which then must be officially approved BEFORE they are granted the status of Italian citizen. By Italian law, citizenship is NOT automatic.
There is only an application for recognition of Italian citizenship. You have posted links to it several times yourself. It says so right on the form.
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...must provide evidence ofvalid filiation which then must be officially approved BEFORE they are granted the status of Italian citizen.
Wrong. Evidence of "filiation" must be provided and approved before that citizenship is recognized. But the citizenship itself was automatic. Exactly like Obama's UK citizenship.
The laws even use the same words.
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By Italian law, citizenship is NOT automatic.
Yes. It is.
Again... by your standard, even natural born US citizenship is not automatic. You still need to "provide evidence of filiation " before you can get a passport. Or these days even a job.
Evidence of "filiation" must be provided and approved before that citizenship is recognized.
No. Read the Italian law:
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"Recognition or judicial declaration of the filiation of a person while he or she is still a minor shall determine the person's citizenship in accordance with the provisions of the present Act."
Italian citizenship of those born outside Italy is determined by submitted and evaluated documentation of filiation. If the evidence is officially approved as valid, citizenship is determined. Italian citizenship is NOT automatic at birth.
You were proven WRONG a LONG time ago. Stop posting false info.
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