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Old 11-14-2011, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Regardless of whether John McCain is an NBC, it is of much signifiance in that Congress investigated and vetted McCain but failed the do anything with Obama. The cry for investigation into Obama’s eligibility was far far greater than that of McCain and yet Congress did nothing. It is widely believed that Congress refused to investigate Obama due to political reasons and fear of racism. Further, it also believed that McCain and Hillary knew full well of Obama’s eligiblity problem and that the resolution was a deal to keep McCain quiet about the issue.

 
Old 11-14-2011, 12:59 AM
 
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wow. unfreaking belivable. you're actually giving some merit to the "bastard son of malcolm x" claim. i honestly thought you were smarter then that claud.
This claim is so absurd, that it only shows how racists the birthers are. That all black men look the same to them. Obama looks nothing like Malcom X.

If birthers weren't so dumb, they'd know that Obama looks almost to a T like his maternal Grandfather (you know the, WHITE guy that is father to Obama's mother).


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wow again, a 3rd grade understanding of genetics would answer that question. my mum was 5'2" my dad was 5'4" i'm 6'0" (...... about the same hight as my maternal grandfather ).
Birthers are as dumb as they come. Not only are they clueless about US History, and US Law, they are also clueless on basic science that we all learned in the 4th grade.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 01:02 AM
 
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You are forgetting the Hawaii Christian name law. Barack is not a Christian name.
spreading this lie DC?

You do know the law in question was mostly target for Native Hawaiians (although it was worded to apply to everyone)? Since Hawaiians didn't have last names to begin with, they required Native Hawaiians to adopt a given name, and that their family name would become their last name. It was a law that existed long after it should have been since Hawaiian's already had adopted having family names because of the Christian influence in the islands (and promoted since King Kamehameha III's rule)

and the law was never enforced (how could it? with so many immigrants coming into Hawaii for plantation work, with Chinese, Filipino, Japanese, and the like, how could a law like this be enforced to non-Hawaiians?)

The case that brought up the "Christian Name" law as reference (it wasn't the ISSUE at hand)

Hawaii birth - Google Scholar


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Until 1967, it was required that all children born in wedlock shall have their father's name as a "family name" and "[besides] . . . a Christian name suitable to their sex." R.L.1955, § 327-2. In 1967, the words "Christian name suitable to their sex"[6] were deleted and the words "given name" substituted. L.1967, ch. 6, § 2. A further amendment was made in 1975 to accommodate a law adopting the Uniform Parentage Act. This added a sentence that "[a]ll children legitimated, as provided in [the law], shall have either their father's name or their mother's name as a family name." L.1975, ch. 66, § 3.

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[6] There is no known case in which the requirements of "a Christian name" that was "suitable to their sex" were ever enforced. One wonders whether Grand Constable Anne de Montmorency, first owner of the Chateau de Chantilly, could have been so named had he been born in Hawaii between 1860 and 1967.
and before anyone gets "smart" the case I linked to was that under Hawaii law, parents couldn't give their children completely different last names than of their own

John Doe and Jane Rice get's married.
They had 4 choices for their last name:
Doe
Rice
Doe-Rice
Rice-Doe

the case was about a family that wanted to give their child a completely different last name, by taking a couple of letters from each of their last names (example Dice). This was not allowed under Hawaii law. The family in question in the case, Alena Jech and Adolf Befurt were born in Europe. Their names were neither adopted nor conferred by any statute of Hawaii. Presumably they could have changed their surnames to "Jebef" without going through the procedures set forth in H.R.S. § 574-5, registered the birth of "Adrian Jebef," and then changed their surnames back to "Jech" and "Befurt."

There are many laws on the books that are not enforceable. This was one of them.


ETA on this Birther misnomer:

The term “Christian name” means “given name”. It has nothing to do with the religion of the parents. People in some Asian cultures only have one name, while parents in other cultures choose odd names or names that don't match the gender of the child. (Like Stanley Ann Dunham, for example.) The law was intended to simplify life for the child. This is a prime example of "quote mining," where someone has searched for any article on Hawaii Births and leapt to a wrong conclusion.

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Old 11-14-2011, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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This claim is so absurd, that it only shows how racists the birthers are. That all black men look the same to them. Obama looks nothing like Malcom X.

If birthers weren't so dumb, they'd know that Obama looks almost to a T like his maternal Grandfather (you know the, WHITE guy that is father to Obama's mother).


Birthers are as dumb as they come. Not only are they clueless about US History, and US Law, they are also clueless on basic science that we all learned in the 4th grade.
Some say he could be the son of Frank Marshall Davis. He wrote of a close relationship with Davis in Dreams of My Father. No matter who the bio father is, Frank was a role model.

For seven years, the presidential candidate had a "father-son" relationship with Frank Marshall Davis, who has confessed to having sex with children, sadomasochism, bondage and practicing a wide array of deviant sexual activities.
EXCLUSIVE: OBAMA SEX PERV SCANDAL - The National Enquirer
or
Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama - Telegraph
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Some say he could be the son of Frank Marshall Davis.
His birth certificate says he is the son of Barack H. Obama Sr.

It's a settled issue.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You are forgetting the Hawaii Christian name law. Barack is not a Christian name.
Actually... yes, it is. "Christian name" is not a religious reference. It is a centuries old synonym for "given name" or "first name" regardless of the name's origin. It got the label because it was traditionally (in the eras before birth certificates) assigned at baptism ("christening.")

 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Regardless of whether John McCain is an NBC, it is of much signifiance in that Congress investigated and vetted McCain but failed the do anything with Obama.
It is even of greater significance that this claim is a lie. Congress conducted no investigation of McCain whatsoever. They conducted no hearings. There was no debate. They requested and saw no documents and received no testimony.

They conducted no vetting whatsoever.

They simply and unanimously passed a non-binding resolution in the Senate.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yes, there was a Congressional investigation as to McCains eligibility, he produced his birth records. They passed a bill, with Obama signing, that McCain was a natural born citizen, therefore eligible. They did not inquire about Obama's eligibility. You know all this.
1. No there was no Congressional investigation.

2. No, he never produced his birth records. He was never even asked to.

3. No, they passed no bill. They voted on a non-binding resolution.

4. Nobody signed anything.

5. Obama's eligibility was never in question.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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It does not matter the definition of a Christian name. It does not matter Barack is not a Christian name. It does not matter his father was deported. It does not matter his father was not a permanent resident or domiciled. It does not matter his father was not a citizen.
Correct. None of those things matter.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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You need to study a little genetics!
This ^^^^^
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