Birther brigade going after Rubio now (thoughts, Barack Obama, states, claims)

[Arus]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

One parent has to be a citizen. otherwise is it out. Out, out, out....

Wrong. the only qualification is to be born on US Soil. parental lineage/citizenship doesn't matter.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by ergohead

Bloodline pedigree.

You either have the papers, or you don't.

A person born on US Soil has a paper: Its called a Birth Certificate. If it lists birth anywhere in the US or one of its recognized territories (that can pass on US Citizenship), they are a natural born citizen

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Arus

A person born on US Soil has a paper: Its called a Birth Certificate. If it lists birth anywhere in the US or one of its recognized territories (that can pass on US Citizenship), they are a natural born citizen

Not for the Constitutional purpose of Presidential eligibility if they were born a foreign citizen. The intent of the NBC clause specifically excludes foreign citizens. The only other way for a foreign citizen to acquire eligibility is if the foreign citizen were made a U.S. citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

I'm saying it's negated by a KNOWN foreign allegiance, which the U.S. State Department most definitely recognizes.

Citizenship does not equal allegiance.

A person born in the US could be a terrorits who moves to join Al Quaeda and plan attacks against other US Citizens (soldiers), thereby showing NO allegiance to the US.

Yet a person, who is born in France, could move to the US, join the US Army (we allow that), and support the US full and total, has more allegiance to this country, despite not being a citizen.


If the founding fathers was so stuck on allegiance, they would have mentioned in the Constitution. Oops. They didn't.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

That's only your "opinion."

Actually, no. It's not. It the law.

The formal legal term under US law is not "foreigner." It is "alien."

And the definition of alien found in US Law is this:

The term "alien" means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

Sec. 101. [8 U.S.C. 1101] (a)(3)

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Foreign citizenship is the crux of the issue. The NBC clause was intended to prevent foreign influence. Read Jay's letter.

1) Jay was not a Framer of the Constitution.

2) Jay never defines either "natural born citizen" nor "foreign influence."

[Arus]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Not for the Constitutional purpose of Presidential eligibility if they were born a foreign citizen.

Wrong again. I suggest you read Article 2 and the 14th Amendment. Please show us that those born with dual citizenship are ineligible.

Please make sure you provide the EXACT text of from the Constitution that says "no one with dual citizenship may qualify".

The intent of the NBC clause specifically excludes foreign citizens.

seeing as Obama isn't a foreign citizen, your claim is wholly built from your delusion.

The only other way for a foreign citizen to acquire eligibility is if the foreign citizen were made a U.S. citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted.

false. A foreign citizen can never be eligible. Those born with US Citizenship are.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Not true in Obama's case. He was born a foreign citizen.

But not a foreigner.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

One parent has to be a citizen. otherwise is it out. Out, out, out....

There is not and has never been a single US law, statute, regulation, rule or Constitutional provision that said that.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

I'm saying it's negated by a KNOWN foreign allegiance, which the U.S. State Department most definitely recognizes.

Then why did the US State Department testify in court and under oath that Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Arus

Citizenship does not equal allegiance.

FALSE.

Allegiance: b (1) : the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government

Allegiance - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary