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Old 04-03-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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And as everybody but you has figured out, that's irrelevant to his domicile.
You're forgetting an important word, HD... permanent domicile. Obama's father never had a permanent domicile in the U.S. He was always in the U.S. on a temporary student visa or on a limited extension of that temporary stay.

 
Old 04-03-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You're forgetting an important word, HD... permanent domicile.
If the document can have nothing to do with the noun, it can also have nothing to do with any adjective.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Cite how it changed citizenship law.
Br repealing the passage you cited. Here is what it was replaced with:

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Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all citizens of the United States who are or shall be otherwise qualified by law to vote at any election... shall be entitled and allowed to vote at all such elections, without distinction of race, color, or previous condition of servitude....
There was no longer any need to define citizenship since by 1870 that was taken care of by the 14th Amendment. So it was simply completely left out of the 1870 version.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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I keep forgetting that you have the short term memory of a papaya.

Us V. Wong Kim Ark
Your childish insult notwithstanding, I can post quotes from Ark, too:
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At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Minor v. Happersett (1874), 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:11 PM
 
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Yes. We have.
No. You're deluding yourself.

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The Supreme Court certainly understands native born citizens to be natural born.
Certainly not. Gray neglected to rule Ark a natural born citizen. Gray ruled him a citizen only.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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There doesn't need to be.
I agree. Obama is Constitutionally ineligible.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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Oh? Should we try again to get you to to show us howthe INS treats one any differently than than the other?
By stating them as different kinds of citizenship that can be restored:
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The effect of naturalization under the above statutes was not to erase the previous period of alienage, but to restore the person to the status if naturalized, native, or natural-born citizen, as determined by her status prior to loss.
Interpretation 324.2
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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By stating them as different kinds of citizenship that can be restored: Interpretation 324.2
And yet... they are both treated exactly the same way.

What was it Supreme Court Justice Van Devantner said? Oh yeah:

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Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects save that of eligibility to the Presidency.
Gosh... native citizens are eligible for the Presidency!!! They must be natural born citizens after all.

Go figure.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:27 PM
 
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Your childish insult notwithstanding, I can post quotes from Ark, too:United States v. Wong Kim Ark
Papayas don't understand what they're quoting.
 
Old 04-03-2013, 05:28 PM
 
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Gray neglected to rule Ark a natural born citizen. Gray ruled him a citizen only.
And as the Ankeny panel pointed out, that is immaterial.
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