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Old 04-09-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If born in Hawaii, as presented.

That does not necessarily make him a 'natural born citizen' as required by the Constitution for POTUS eligibility.
More than a dozen court decisions disagree with you.

 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:11 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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As we have established, those were not law. They were diplomatic decisions.
I'll ask you then... cite the federal law permitting Secretaries of State to make unlawful citizenship determinations.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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They weren't living as citizens of the United States.
So... permanent domicile DOES matter...
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'll ask you then... cite the federal law permitting Secretaries of State to make unlawful citizenship determinations.
Don't be stupid.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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The definition from Wong Kim Ark still serves nicely.
Doesn't apply to Obama. His father was never permanently domiciled in the U.S. That's a matter of public record.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So... permanent domicile DOES matter...
Not according to Justice Gray.

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It can hardly be denied that an alien is completely subject to the political jurisdiction of the country in which he resides -- seeing that, as said by Mr. Webster, when Secretary of State, in his Report to the President on Thrasher's Case in 1851, and since repeated by this court,
independently of a residence with intention to continue such residence; independently of any domiciliation; independently of the taking of any oath of allegiance or of renouncing any former allegiance, it is well known that, by the public law, an alien, or a stranger [p694] born, for so long a time as he continues within the dominions of a foreign government, owes obedience to the laws of that government, and may be punished for treason, or other crimes, as a native-born subject might be, unless his case is varied by some treaty stipulations.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Doesn't apply to Obama.
More than a dozen court decisions disagree with you.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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You have diplomatic determinations. Not legal determinations.
Are you asserting that Hausding and Greisser asserted U.S. citizenship in defiance of the Secretaries of State's determinations? Describe how such was accomplished. Cite historical proof of such.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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Not legal decisions. Diplomatic decisions.

Because these people didn't want to be US citizens.
It sure sounds like they did. Hence, the appeal to the U.S. State Dept.
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They wanted to live in a foreign country.
Any U.S. citizen living abroad forfeits their U.S. citizenship? Cite the law that states such.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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Of course. So?
It's not an automatic operation of citizenship law, to which the State Dept refers.
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