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Old 04-12-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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Correct. As such, Obama was NOT born under the complete jurisdiction of the U.S. as required by the 14th Amendment for birthright U.S. citizenship.
He was born under a foreign education visa.

 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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All 22 of those cases considered the issue on its merits, and explicitly ruled against you.
Not so.
 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Not so.
Yes, so.
 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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Every court and administrative body to consider the issue has held that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen who is eligible to serve as President.
Based on what? What do they cite? Wong Kim Ark?

Wong Kim Ark DOESN"T apply to Obama. His father wasn't permanently domiciled in the U.S. at the time of his birth. The signed legal forms explicitly stating that Obama's father was only a TEMPORARY resident of the U.S. at the time of Obama's birth are a matter of public record. Note the title of this form, "APPLICATION TO EXTEND TIME OF TEMPORARY STAY" with Obama's father's request to extend his TEMPORARY stay from August 9, 1961 to August 9, 1962:

 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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Based on what? What do they cite? Wong Kim Ark?
Of course.

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Wong Kim Ark DOESN"T apply to Obama.
I have pointed you to 22 different cases that have decided Wong Kim Ark does apply to Obama.

In case you were unaware, that's how we settle those issues in the real world. In a real court in front of real judges making real decisions in real cases.
 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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The very first paragraph of the decision


The RULING:

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

There's not a chance in hell Obama's father had a permanent domicile in the U.S. in 1961. The signed legal forms explicitly stating that Obama's father was only a TEMPORARY resident of the U.S. at the time of Obama's birth are a matter of public record. Note the title of this form, "APPLICATION TO EXTEND TIME OF TEMPORARY STAY" with Obama's father's request to extend his TEMPORARY stay from August 9, 1961 to August 9, 1962:

 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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All 22 of those cases considered the issue on its merits, and explicitly ruled against you.
Against me? Was I a party to the cases?

Even MORE HD logic fail.

Again, because you're hopelessly slow...

The U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark ruling cited in those cases DOESN'T apply to Obama because his father was NOT permanently domiciled in the U.S. at the time of Obama's birth.

"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative."

There's not a chance in hell Obama's father had a permanent domicile in the U.S. in 1961. The signed legal forms explicitly stating that Obama's father was only a TEMPORARY resident of the U.S. at the time of Obama's birth are a matter of public record. Note the title of this form, "APPLICATION TO EXTEND TIME OF TEMPORARY STAY" with Obama's father's request to extend his TEMPORARY stay from August 9, 1961 to August 9, 1962:



America, you've been SCAMMED!!!
 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:37 AM
 
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The RULING:
Cherry pick all you want.

It does not make the inconvenient parts of the decision magically disappear.

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There's not a chance in hell Obama's father had a permanent domicile in the U.S. in 1961.
Unless you know what "permanent domicile" actually means, which you do not.
 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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Against me? Was I a party to the cases?
Your arguments certainly were. But if you are finally getting around to abandoning them, we'll cut you some slack.

22 cases, IC. All of them say your arguments are bull****.

All of them.
 
Old 04-12-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Minor's citizenship was never a question before the court.
SCOTUS had to derive Minor's Constitutional citizenship as it was directly relevant for them to consider the case which was predicated upon the Constitution's 14th Amendment's: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

The decision came AFTER THE FACT that SCOTUS derived Minor's Constitutional citizenship and was therefore actually entitled to the 14th Amendment's protection: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

SCOTUS subsequently ruled that the right of suffrage was not Constitutionally guaranteed to any U.S. citizen.
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