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Old 04-22-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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As usual, lacking any genuine argument to make you have to resort to mind reading and straw men, idiotically imagining that we can't just go back and read what was actually said.
Not really. All I have to do is READ and COMPREHEND what the U.K. says about it:
"Persons who were British subjects by denization could not pass on the status to their heirs."
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...on?view=Binary

AND what Blackstone stated:
"A denizen is an alien born, but who has obtained ex donatione regis letters patent to make him an English subject [a form of naturalization]: a high and incommunicable branch of the royal prerogative. A denizen is in a kind of middle state between an alien, and natural-born subject, and partakes of both of them. He may take lands by purchase or devise, which an alien may not; but cannot take by inheritance: for his parent, through whom he must claim, being an alien had no inheritable blood, and therefore could convey none to the son. And, upon a like defect of hereditary blood, the issue of a denizen, born before denization, cannot inherit to him; but his issue born after, may."
Commentaries on the Laws of England: In Four Books - Sir William Blackstone - Google Books

Even Blackstone specifically states that the children of aliens born in England had a defect of hereditary blood and could therefore NOT inherit to their parents even after said parents had been made English subjects by denization.

Only children born in England to aliens AFTER their denization could inherit to them. It's clearly obvious that children born to aliens were NOT the same as children born to denizens (naturalized subjects).

Blackstone, who you love to quote, specifically states that there are SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES between children born to aliens and children born to denizens (naturalized subjects) in the U.K.

Obama's father never naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

 
Old 04-22-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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The Minor decision did not refer to any common law "which gave the SCOTUS reason to give merit to unsolved doubts that native-birth sufficed to make a citizen at all." They referred only (but specifically) to the opinions of unnamed "authorities."
Unidentified Fracking Ogres?

I've spotted some in sewers just before sunrise.
 
Old 04-22-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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Not really. All I have to do is READ and COMPREHEND what the U.K. says about it:
Yes. That's what you have to do. But you appear to fail on both counts.

The discussion you quote from Blackstone says exactly nothing regarding the children of aliens born on English soil.
 
Old 04-22-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Yes. That's what you have to do. But you appear to fail on both counts.

The discussion you quote from Blackstone says exactly nothing regarding the children of aliens born on English soil.
Denizens: How To Deal With Them
 
Old 04-22-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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Yes. That's what you have to do. But you appear to fail on both counts.

The discussion you quote from Blackstone says exactly nothing regarding the children of aliens born on English soil.
That just confirms your extremely poor reading comprehension skills.

Read it again, HD, and take particular note of what Blackstone states as the defect:
"A denizen is an alien born, but who has obtained ex donatione regis letters patent to make him an English subject [a form of naturalization]: a high and incommunicable branch of the royal prerogative. A denizen is in a kind of middle state between an alien, and natural-born subject, and partakes of both of them. He may take lands by purchase or devise, which an alien may not; but cannot take by inheritance: for his parent, through whom he must claim, being an alien had no inheritable blood, and therefore could convey none to the son. And, upon a like defect of hereditary blood, the issue of a denizen, born before denization, cannot inherit to him; but his issue born after, may."
Commentaries on the Laws of England: In Four Books - Sir William Blackstone - Google Books

The defect is hereditary BLOOD... a.k.a. lineage.
 
Old 04-22-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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That just confirms your extremely poor reading comprehension skills.
Your hallucinations have no implications regarding my reading comprehension skills. The passage has only to do with property rights of naturalized subjects. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else. It never once mentions the children of aliens born on English soil.

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Read it again, HD, and take particular note of what Blackstone states as the defect:
Done and done.

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The defect is hereditary BLOOD... a.k.a. lineage.
And all that means is that a denizen cannot inherit property or pass it on through inheritance to a child born before they became denizens. It is of no help to you.
 
Old 04-22-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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Your hallucinations have no implications regarding my reading comprehension skills. The passage has only to do with property rights of naturalized subjects. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.


Done and done.


And all that means is that a denizen cannot inherit property or pass it on through inheritance to a child born before they became denizens. It is of no help to you.
Yeah!

He can still become King, can't he!

Well, can't he?

My Cleveland heads have canted valves.

Anything is possible with a little ingenuity.

Imagination is not always hallucination.

Historial Dude hallucinates all over himself.
 
Old 04-22-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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Just for housekeeping purposes:

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Old 04-22-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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The passage has only to do with property rights of naturalized subjects.
AND their heirs.

Explain how supposed "natural born subjects" via birth in England CANNOT inherit from their alien (at the time of their birth) parent. You can't. The children of aliens are NOT the same as natural born subjects whose parents were subjects themselves.

And again, because you're REALLY slow on the uptake ...

Take particular note of what Blackstone states as the defect:
"A denizen is an alien born, but who has obtained ex donatione regis letters patent to make him an English subject [a form of naturalization]: a high and incommunicable branch of the royal prerogative. A denizen is in a kind of middle state between an alien, and natural-born subject, and partakes of both of them. He may take lands by purchase or devise, which an alien may not; but cannot take by inheritance: for his parent, through whom he must claim, being an alien had no inheritable blood, and therefore could convey none to the son. And, upon a like defect of hereditary blood, the issue of a denizen, born before denization, cannot inherit to him; but his issue born after, may."
Commentaries on the Laws of England: In Four Books - Sir William Blackstone - Google Books

The defect is hereditary BLOOD... a.k.a. lineage.
 
Old 04-22-2013, 10:48 AM
 
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Just for housekeeping purposes:

Noted for historial significance.
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