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With all the conservatives on this forum opposing democracy in the middle east and supporting dicators, I had to ask:
1. Do you think that Muslims, as a group, should be stopped from forming democratic governments?
2. Do you think they are undeserving/unprepared to handle a democratic government?
3. And what do you think of middle eastern dictators? Were Mubarak and Qadafi (and Assad) good people who brought stability, or were they bad people who nonetheless served a pragmatic purpose?
Personally, I'm adopting the "wait and see" attitude toward this whole Arab spring. I can understand why people are worried, (with Iran and all)but I also think that these dictators had what was coming to them, that it was going to happen eventually and, unlike the far right posters, I simply cannot feel sorry for Qadafi and his ilk.
With all the conservatives on this forum opposing democracy in the middle east and supporting dicators, I had to ask:
1. Do you think that Muslims, as a group, should be stopped from forming democratic governments?
2. Do you think they are undeserving/unprepared to handle a democratic government?
3. And what do you think of middle eastern dictators? Were Mubarak and Qadafi (and Assad) good people who brought stability, or were they bad people who nonetheless served a pragmatic purpose?
Personally, I'm adopting the "wait and see" attitude toward this whole Arab spring. I can understand why people are worried, (with Iran and all)but I also think that these dictators had what was coming to them, that it was going to happen eventually and, unlike the far right posters, I simply cannot feel sorry for Qadafi and his ilk.
Anyway, what do you all think? Discuss.
The Neocons sure don't. They yearn for the dictators like the Shah of Iran, and Mubarek of Egypt. The consider the fairly elected leadership of occupied Palestine illegitimate as well.
When they are bad mouthing Arabs for not being Democratic....feel free to laugh in their face....I do.
Your post is full of factual errors. These rebellions were started by Western intelligence, for one. Second, the dictators that were in place in recent times were the direct result of CIA/MI6/Mossad interference in installing these dictators. Nowadays, these dictators went off the reservation and actually were pretty secular especially compared to Iran, and now being replaced with people that would make the Taliban smile. You and padcrasher would change your tunes and be decry Western interference in these rebellions if it took place during the Bush Admin. Go Team, right fellas?
Your post is full of factual errors. These rebellions were started by Western intelligence, for one. Second, the dictators that were in place in recent times were the direct result of CIA/MI6/Mossad interference in installing these dictators. Nowadays, these dictators went off the reservation and actually were pretty secular especially compared to Iran, and now being replaced with people that would make the Taliban smile
Sensible post.....now what was I ringing your neck for a few days ago? ...I forgot.
With all the conservatives on this forum opposing democracy in the middle east and supporting dicators, I had to ask:
1. Do you think that Muslims, as a group, should be stopped from forming democratic governments?
2. Do you think they are undeserving/unprepared to handle a democratic government?
3. And what do you think of middle eastern dictators? Were Mubarak and Qadafi (and Assad) good people who brought stability, or were they bad people who nonetheless served a pragmatic purpose?
Personally, I'm adopting the "wait and see" attitude toward this whole Arab spring. I can understand why people are worried, (with Iran and all)but I also think that these dictators had what was coming to them, that it was going to happen eventually and, unlike the far right posters, I simply cannot feel sorry for Qadafi and his ilk.
Anyway, what do you all think? Discuss.
I think Muslims should be free to choose their own governments.
They should also facilitate changes in government on their own rather than depending on the US to bomb their existing governments into oblivion.
The Neocons sure don't. They yearn for the dictators like the Shah of Iran, and Mubarek of Egypt. The consider the fairly elected leadership of occupied Palestine illegitimate as well.
When they are bad mouthing Arabs for not being Democratic....feel free to laugh in their face....I do.
Elect who the hell you want. But when the Palestinians elect Neo-Nazis they have no right to whine that their Jewish neighbors view them as Nazis.
Shrug.
I can only image your outrage of Americans elected David Duke to head our country . . . why should Muslims be treated any differently when that's what they do?
The Neocons sure don't. They yearn for the dictators like the Shah of Iran, and Mubarek of Egypt. The consider the fairly elected leadership of occupied Palestine illegitimate as well.
When they are bad mouthing Arabs for not being Democratic....feel free to laugh in their face....I do.
The neoprogs yearn for upheaval in the Middle East with the interfernece of UN and NATO forces so the US taxpayer can be stuck with the bill of "nation building" and building/handing over new oil facilities (because the old ones were not up to par) to the big oil corporations who in turn make money for the global banks.
Since when did humanitarian efforts include 7+ months of bombing from the air?
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