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Old 10-26-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I'm very against drug use. That said, if you're so worried about how the state is spending tax payer dollars, then why don't some of you use some common sense? I'm glad the program was shot down because of right to privacy, but it was just as stupid from a cost benefit basis. The estimates I saw showed that it was going to cost Florida millions of dollars a year in administrative overhead and testing, and guess what? Only 2% of recipients tested positive. That "saved" the state around $45,000.00 a year. The general population tests positive at 9%. It looks like Scott decided it would be great for him politically to go after those "lazy, drug addicted welfare bums." It was a wonderful theory until it turns out that they're not actually USING drugs. What a waste of money and time. No wonder this guy will be a one term governor,
(http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/welfare-drug-tests-2-percent-test-positive-08242011 - broken link)
Reading the comments,it appears that the number of people who applied for welfare dropped and about 2% refused to take the test....
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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This is a prime example of America's Fall From Grace. Social Welfare is a "right" that is upheld by "privacy" laws, not good stewardship of taxpayer funds. Is there really anyone out there still wondering if America will never be great again? Not I. Our glory days are gone, as suggested by this ruling. When "Privacy" trumps a common sense approach to funding a social safety net, might as well stick a fork in it, we're done.
Oh please.

Go read the 4th amendment.

You are a cheerleader for authoritarianism.
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Nearly 1,600 welfare applicants have refused to take the test since testing began in mid July, but they aren’t required to say why. Thirty-two applicants failed the test, and more than 7,000 have passed, according to the Department of Children and Families. The majority of positives were for marijuana.

Read more: Florida's welfare drug testing halted by federal judge - Florida - MiamiHerald.com
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:23 PM
 
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Why do some liberals have so little respect for the voters and taxpayers of Florida? The taxpayers have sent a clear message, that they want to ensure that money taken from them is not given to those that take illegal drugs. What about their rights with regard to how their money is spent?

This will most likely go to a higher court on appeal. Lets hope the next level of judges are a little brighter.
Majority rules doesn't apply to constitutional rights, like the right to be free of unreasonable searches.

This policy was legally doomed from the start, and Charles Trippe and his friends in the governor's office knew it - it's just pandering to the authoritarians.

Now they will say "hey look how hard we tried, and those dang liberals shot us down."

No, the US Constitution shot them down. But they aren't about to say that.

Don't get your hopes up, the court got this one right and in fact was only following precedent.

This law was never going to happen.
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Well...oddly enough those who are glad this was struck down don't seem to mind drug testing as part of your employment...
Apples and oranges.

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Guess those on welfare should not be taxed too much,they do have very full lives.
What are you going to tax? Whatever teeth they have left?

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How would someone on welfare have the funds to buy drugs???
Exactly.
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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Yet the fedgov. can drug test as part of the employment process...weird.
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:26 PM
 
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Yet the fedgov. can drug test as part of the employment process...weird.
With the right reasons, it's permissible in an employment situation.

This is not an employment situation. The same standards do not apply here.
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:28 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Apples and oranges.
Why do you think this?
In order to be paid to work,you must pass a drug test.
In order to get free money,you must pass a drug test.

I see the difference,one requires you not to work for the money.


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What are you going to tax? Whatever teeth they have left?
English language issues?
Taxed as in overworked...


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Exactly.
Exactly....what?
How are people failing the drug test if on welfare?
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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With the right reasons, it's permissible in an employment situation.

This is not an employment situation. The same standards do not apply here.
No...the welfare recipient doesn't do anything for their money...
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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Reading the comments,it appears that the number of people who applied for welfare dropped and about 2% refused to take the test....
I didn't read them all before I posted. This article just popped up though--2% did fail, but a bunch didn't follow through with their welfare applications. The pro testing side tried to make the case that it was because of the testing. The judge essentially said in her ruling that you can't carry that over to say that's why they dropped the application--the average welfare beneficiary only receives benefits for 4 1/2 months to begin with, and other factors could easily be at play, like not being able to afford the upfront costs for testing to begin with.

Rick Scott's Welfare Drug Test Saves No Money: Judge
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