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Old 10-25-2011, 07:26 AM
 
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I dont see the issue.

I was taught about sex when I was 6 years old. I was taught about menstruation when I asked my mom why she douched at 8 years old. Pregnancy was a lesson I learned in 3rd grade because my aunt was pregnant with my then, youngest cousin.

My parents taught me about sex long before school did.

However, the kids in my class who didn't ,were the ones that got pregnant at 14 years of age, and the only sex education they got was a one day visit from the health counselor who didn't get to the topic of birth control because of a time limit, or their parents opted them out of the class


How is it you're missing the most obvious thing in your post?
You were taught those things by your parents.

The government did not take it upon itself to teach you those things at those ages.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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I know it is difficult for our puritan, kindergarten country to understand, but sex is a part of life, you can't avoid it. You can either teach them about it or not.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:33 AM
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Education is a good thing.
Putting trust in government bureaucrats to deliver it, eh not so much.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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How is it you're missing the most obvious thing in your post?
You were taught those things by your parents.

The government did not take it upon itself to teach you those things at those ages.
This is such an important point you make and many are missing. These same posters would be outraged should the government start mandating sex education that they were not in favor of; e.g., chastity belts instead of condoms!

We are the land of individual liberties. Let's get back to parents raising their own children as they see fit. That is true diversity and freedom.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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At least the kids won't turn out to be ignorant prudes like their parents. Prudes maybe. Ignorant not so much. Fortunately I did not have to depend on my parents for sex education. My girl friends provided all of it and did a damned good job.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Central North Carolina
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Let's get back to parents raising their own children as they see fit. That is true diversity and freedom.
How is it that YOU are missing the most important point here. We have those liberties. If you don't want your kid taking the class, then don't approve it. If you are OK with it, then fine.

Now what exactly is it that we have to get BACK to?
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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You do realize that you are describing an ideal scenario that hardly ever happens right? That would be like me saying that Public Schools are incredible! Public school children have devoted teachers, unlimited resources, and student to teacher ratio of 15:1! When in reality such a scenario is only available in the very best public schools. I will be the first to admit that many public schools are deeply flawed, but they all provide an education that far surpasses that of any home schooled child.

Also your implication that Ivy League colleges love homeschoolers is ABSURD!

"Mr. Brenzel of Yale : We see only a few homeschooled applicants, and we do occasionally admit a homeschooled student. Evaluation is usually difficult, however. It helps if the applicant has taken some college level courses, and we can get evaluations from those teachers. We are not keen on homeschooled students where the only evaluations come from parents and the only other information available consists of test scores."
--Jeff Brenzel, Dean of Undergraduate Admissions

So in other words a student can't even get into an Ivy league school unless it has taken more traditional class at the college level with an actual teacher.

No, it is not the ideal; it is now the standard. There are numerous homeschooling organizations in every state that enable parents to group together and pool their resources. You are simply clinging to a very old, and probably always inaccurate, stereotype.

As for Mr. Benzel of Yale and your claim of MY absurdity - I just love playing tit for tat, especially when I know I'm going to win and you're going to lose. Homeschoolers CONSISTENTLY hold their own when it comes to academic measurement and college admissions. Here are a few tidbits for you to think about, from Wall Street Journal's article by staff reporter, Daniel Golden:

"Home-schoolers bring certain skills -- motivation, curiosity, the capacity to be responsible for their education -- that high schools don't induce very well," says Jon Reider, Stanford's senior associate director of admissions.

A recent survey by the National Center for Home Education, a Virginia-based advocacy group, found that 68% of colleges now accept parent-prepared transcripts or portfolios in place of an accredited diploma. That includes Stanford University, which last fall accepted 27% of home-schooled applicants -- nearly double its overall acceptance rate.

Nonetheless, self-identified home-schoolers have bettered the national averages on the ACT for the past three years running, scoring an average 22.7 last year, compared with 21 for their more traditional peers, on a scale of one to 36. Home-schoolers scored 23.4 in English, well above the 20.5 national average; and 24.4 in reading, compared with a mean of 21.4. The gap was closer in science (21.9 vs. 21.0), and home-schoolers scored below the national average in math, 20.4 to 20.7.
On the SAT, which began its tracking last year, home-schoolers scored an average 1,083 (verbal 548, math 535), 67 points above the national average of 1,016. Similarly, on the 10 SAT2 achievement tests most frequently taken by home-schoolers, they surpassed the national average on nine, including writing, physics and French.

Once in college, home-schoolers appear to be living up to their test scores. Those enrolled at Boston University in the past four years have a 3.3 grade-point average, out of a perfect four. Similarly, Georgia's Kennesaw State University found that its home-schooled students had higher-than-average GPAs as college freshmen.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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No, it is not the ideal; it is now the standard. There are numerous homeschooling organizations in every state that enable parents to group together and pool their resources. You are simply clinging to a very old, and probably always inaccurate, stereotype.

As for Mr. Benzel of Yale and your claim of MY absurdity - I just love playing tit for tat, especially when I know I'm going to win and you're going to lose. Homeschoolers CONSISTENTLY hold their own when it comes to academic measurement and college admissions. Here are a few tidbits for you to think about, from Wall Street Journal's article by staff reporter, Daniel Golden:

"Home-schoolers bring certain skills -- motivation, curiosity, the capacity to be responsible for their education -- that high schools don't induce very well," says Jon Reider, Stanford's senior associate director of admissions.

A recent survey by the National Center for Home Education, a Virginia-based advocacy group, found that 68% of colleges now accept parent-prepared transcripts or portfolios in place of an accredited diploma. That includes Stanford University, which last fall accepted 27% of home-schooled applicants -- nearly double its overall acceptance rate.

Nonetheless, self-identified home-schoolers have bettered the national averages on the ACT for the past three years running, scoring an average 22.7 last year, compared with 21 for their more traditional peers, on a scale of one to 36. Home-schoolers scored 23.4 in English, well above the 20.5 national average; and 24.4 in reading, compared with a mean of 21.4. The gap was closer in science (21.9 vs. 21.0), and home-schoolers scored below the national average in math, 20.4 to 20.7.
On the SAT, which began its tracking last year, home-schoolers scored an average 1,083 (verbal 548, math 535), 67 points above the national average of 1,016. Similarly, on the 10 SAT2 achievement tests most frequently taken by home-schoolers, they surpassed the national average on nine, including writing, physics and French.

Once in college, home-schoolers appear to be living up to their test scores. Those enrolled at Boston University in the past four years have a 3.3 grade-point average, out of a perfect four. Similarly, Georgia's Kennesaw State University found that its home-schooled students had higher-than-average GPAs as college freshmen.
Be careful with statistics. Stanford accepted 27% of the homeschoolers who applied. That does not mean that 27% of Stanford's freshman class is homeschoolers. Think about it.

Considering in some states the entire junior class takes the ACT, whether thy want to or not, the ACT scores of a cherry-picked group of kids with highly motivated parents is not surprising. In addition, 22.7 is not that great. Similarly, the average SAT scores of home schoolers are simply a subset of everyone who takes the test and doesn't really tell us anything.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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Be careful with statistics. Stanford accepted 27% of the homeschoolers who applied. That does not mean that 27% of Stanford's freshman class is homeschoolers. Think about it.

Considering in some states the entire junior class takes the ACT, whether thy want to or not, the ACT scores of a cherry-picked group of kids with highly motivated parents is not surprising. In addition, 22.7 is not that great. Similarly, the average SAT scores of home schoolers are simply a subset of everyone who takes the test and doesn't really tell us anything.
Give me a break. I know how to read statistics. Do you really think that I thought that 27% of Stanford freshmen were homeschoolers??? I don't need to think about it and it never even crossed my mind. Apparently you were confused momentarily, figured it out, then had to share. Good for you for correcting yourself.

The statistics compare homeschoolers with public schoolers in the area of academic performance. That's all you need to know. And that tells us a whole bunch.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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It's either there or the internet. You'd be surprised what your kids are pulling up on their Iphones at 10 years of age. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the vast majority of kids under 12 have already been exposed dozens of times to hardcore porn.
A 10 year old shouldn't even have a cell phone and internet parental controls should be used for kids that young. If not, that IS bad parenting.
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