Mandating that a woman see the ultra-sound before abortion (highway, versus, permit)

[Arus]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Exactly....yet Scott Peterson for example was convicted of murdering his unborn child...crazy country this.

and you misrepresent the case and the law.

In some states (36 total), one can be charged with double murder/homicide of a pregnant woman, if it is ONLY under certain circumstances: murder, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, and assault.

In California, where Laci Peterson was murdered, a charge of murder can only be levied if the murder happened past the eighth week of the pregnancy.

California: California Penal Code § 187(a) says, "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought." The words "or a fetus" were added by the legislature in 1970. The California Supreme Court later interpreted "fetus" to apply "beyond the embryonic stage of seven to eight weeks." (People v. Davis, 1994) In addition, Penal Code § 190.2(3) makes a defendant eligible for capital punishment if convicted of more than one murder, and the California Supreme Court ruled that fetal homicide is included under this provision as well (People v. Dennis, 1998).


Most agree that any birth in the third trimester could result in a viable baby ( I personally was born at 7 1/2 months). Since Laci was 2 months shy of giving birth, her child, if born could have been able to survive on his own.

that is why abortion for any portion of the third trimester is illegal in all 50 states.

[oz in SC]

On April 1, 2004, President Bush signed into law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, also known as "Laci and Conner's Law." The new law states that any "child in utero" is considered to be a legal victim if injured or killed during the commission of a federal crime of violence. The bills definition of "child in utero" is "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

Fetal Homicide: A Question of When Do We Become Human

[ElizaTeal]

Originally Posted by Rapturegal

Funny how pro-aborts will never say the word murder.

Life or death.
What about God values?We care about the baby's beating heart. Made possible by a cruel law put in place by evil people without a conscience. Murder is murder. Your attempts at subterfuge mean nothing.

Isn't your god is responsible for most miscarriages also known as spontaneous abortions? Why would a god with values, stop so many baby's beating hearts?

[Arus]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Wait what?????

You mean a woman doesn't have the right to choose if she wants an abortion???

You are misrepresenting the issue. After a certain point in the pregnancy (18 weeks in the United States) its completely illegal to have an abortion, because of the high chance that the baby will be viable (that means it can breathe and live on its own)


did you miss this part in the new law:

legal victim if injured or killed during the commission of a federal crime of violence.


Murder is a federal crime in all parts of the United States

Abortion isn't murder.

[Arus]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Fetal Homicide: A Question of When Do We Become Human

you ignored this:

legal victim if injured or killed during the commission of a federal crime of violence.


Murder is a federal crime in all 50 states.

Abortion is not murder.

if you are going to be literal, All women who have a miscarriage (by your claim) is a murderer.

[california-jewel]

And right or wrong, whatever the women in question insists on doing, is not any of our business. Hers and hers alone, no matter what the decision.


None of us know what is going on in the life of someone wanting to have an aborrtion. The women's decision, no matter how we look at it.

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by california-jewel

And right or wrong, whatever the women in question insists on doing, is not any of our business. Hers and hers alone, no matter what the decision.


None of us know what is going on in the life of someone wanting to have an aborrtion. The women's decision, no matter how we look at it.

Except it isn't,society and the government actualy decides when and if a woman can have an abortion...

[Arus]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Except it isn't,society and the government actualy decides when and if a woman can have an abortion...

actually the government only put in limits, because of viability reasons

Since you seem to not know the definition of viability, please look up the word.

A fetus in the 1st trimester is not a viable entity.

[oz in SC]

Just so we are all clear on this....

A woman has the right to her own body ONLY as long as the fetus isn't viable.

And that is fine with those who support abortion rights.

But it is restricting a woman's right to her own body to make her look at an ultrasound?

And the fetus is not a person,so it has no rights(until the magical moment of viability).

EXCEPT if another person causes a miscarriage that results in the death of the fetus...THEN that is murder...
Perfectly logical....

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by Arus

actually the government only put in limits, because of viability reasons

Since you seem to not know the definition of viability, please look up the word.

A fetus in the 1st trimester is not a viable entity.

Why is viability important in the least,especially when we are discussing a woman's body and her right to do what she wants....why is it any of society's business?

Also,you then support pushing back when a woman can have an abortion as viability increases...correct?So one day,when a fetus is viable at 2 months,abortions will be restricted to before then...