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And then the question becomes, how many people are willing to pay to have them trained to work?
The reality is that even in those cases where they can become somewhat gainfully employed, they still need all kinds of services that employment may not offer or cover.
People want this to be an either or situation and the reality is that it may be less expensive to keep them on welfare in the long run.
Well we have thousands of people crossing the border every day to get in on the jobs we have -- and they don't need hours of training. It really doesn't cost much to train someone how to pick a head of lettuce or sweep a floor or mow a lawn.
It's not feasible to allow as many people as want to lay around collecting welfare handouts while we must import ever-cheaper labor. Many who quickly catch on themselves about the choice there is to work or not work in this country, so then we need to import more and more and more it seems.
And I think we all know that 40% of this population is not physically disabled. In fact the Medicaid crowd is generally so physically healthy, they are cranking out more babies for the taxpayers to support than the taxpayers themselves can afford to have.
It's time to cut welfare programs to only those who need them, such as those who are patients in nursing homes who truly cannot do for themselves. Anyone living "independently" can go get a job.
We have allowed so many healthy, and other wise, able-bodied people, suck from the government tit to claim taxpayer funded welfare and social services, that the people who really need the assistance are getting short changed.
Just look at Medicare recipients, we have over spent on so many new federal welfare/entitlement programs, that we are now stealing money from the Medicare program.
How do you know that these kids don't have parents who work for a living? Particularly when you've lumped food stamps and other entitlements into the mix, which people who are low wage earners are still eligible for?
~ButterBrownBiscuit~
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Originally Posted by malamute
Yes, these kids are at a disadvantage when they don't see an example of getting up in the morning and going off to work for a living. Yes, it's a disadvantage to grow up believing that other people must buy you your clothes, your food, pay for your housing and other expenses. Growing up watching parents lay in front of a television the whole day, doing nothing for themselves.
The best thing for these kids, to take away that disadvantage would be to cut off the welfare handouts, have at least one of their parents show them what it's like to work for a living.
How do you know that these kids don't have parents who work for a living? Particularly when you've lumped food stamps and other entitlements into the mix, which people who are low wage earners are still eligible for?
~ButterBrownBiscuit~
Please don't let semantics get included in this thread.
Well we have thousands of people crossing the border every day to get in on the jobs we have -- and they don't need hours of training. It really doesn't cost much to train someone how to pick a head of lettuce or sweep a floor or mow a lawn.
It's not feasible to allow as many people as want to lay around collecting welfare handouts while we must import ever-cheaper labor. Many who quickly catch on themselves about the choice there is to work or not work in this country, so then we need to import more and more and more it seems.
So let's examine this a bit, shall we?
This is not a new problem and yes, while it may have been exacerbated by the number of people willing to work for less than livable wage, harping on it does nothing to change the fact that these people were considered a sub-class of American citizens long before the flood-gates were opened in the 80s.
What we really need to examine, is why so many people find this imported labor preferable to their fellow native-born citizens. Why, when there would seem to be a relatively endless supply of people who should be working at least a few hours a day for their benefits, have there not been mechanisms put in place to take advantage of that segment of the workforce?
Don't you find it the least bit ironic that at the very time that Reagan was demonizing 'welfare queens' he was essentially encouraging illegal immigration?
If that administration was so keen on getting people off of welfare, why fill the pool with even more people who would compete for the same jobs?
Where were the welfare-to-work plans? Until Clinton, there was practically nothing.
And some of the first programs cut in order to maintain tax cuts, etc. were those that did get people off of welfare and into gainful employment.
Even now, Congress refuses to cut subsidies to big energy but does cut (re)training programs.
Here's the thing: a lot of people make a lot of money from welfare benefits. Big AG gets a constant revenue stream from SNAP, the health care industry gets a constant revenue stream from Medicaid and so on.
Cut welfare and you take 'food' out of a lot of peoples mouths - people at very high (income) levels in this country.
Why do you think so little actual progress has been made in this regard?
If these dreggs are not qualifed to work in the types of jobs available in the DC area they should MOVE somewhere else. There is no unemployment problems here in Northern Virginia.
Agree. Move where there are jobs. If you have no skills then pick vegetables in the fields.
Let's just round them all up and put them in concentration camps, babies and all because after all it is ALWAYS their fault that they're poor. The nerve of them breathing and breeding.
BTW, all of these people are not unemployed. Some of them do work full time and still receive food stamps or Medicaid. Being on public assistance does not mean that you are unemployed or refuse to get a job.
Many of the recipients are either disabled or children. Child labor laws prevent the later from working in the fields.
Child labor laws don't prevent their parents from working in the fields.
The parents are responsible for the support of their children. It's not up to you to provide for my children, that's my job -- even if I have to work in the fields.
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