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Old 11-04-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Fascism... a belief system in private enterprise, not elected governance. No need for hair splitting if you get that point.
LOL, private enterprise controlled by the State. But we've been down this road before in our previous discussions with the gut-busting comedic notion that fascism is somehow "conservative". LOL

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And so did the USA, since day 1.
Voluntary socialism. Once again, big difference. Can't help you if you think otherwise.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Murika
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Germany, for one, calls itself a "Social Market Economy." They have actually understood that both socialist and capitalist policies are needed to successfully run a country. Both approaches have value and it certainly seems as though taking the best of each might result in a pretty decent way of life.

Of course, there are short-comings as well...
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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LOL, private enterprise controlled by the State.'
Done that, since day 1 in the USA.

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But we've been down this road before in our previous discussions with the gut-busting comedic notion that fascism is somehow "conservative". LOL
If it translates to what conservatives preach, it is.

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Voluntary socialism. Once again, big difference. Can't help you if you think otherwise.
Since day 1, USA.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I am unsure about why socialism and progressive liberalism is spoken of as linked. It is about like asking "In which country has communism/capitalism ever worked?"
We have been a capitalist nation for over 200 years, and we were a bunch of capitalists hundreds of years before that too. The more socialism and liberal progressiveness this country adopts, the worse off we become.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Socialism was working in the USA as well, until the Oligarchs finally managed to put an end to it.
When did the US government own the means of production?

So in other words, socialism never existed in the US.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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When did the US government own the means of production?
The argument was, government control over private enterprise.

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So in other words, socialism never existed in the US.
What was that land giveaway about? Government itself is a socialistic instrument (communism, OTOH, prefers power in the hands of the masses, not a governing body).
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:23 AM
 
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greece? Cuba ? USSR?
progressive liberalism has worked in the US, the UK, the Netherlands, Australia, Japan, Germany, South Korea, New Zealand, , and Canada, among others.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Done that, since day 1 in the USA.
Escalation with Solyndra and GM. Definitely agree with you there.

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If it translates to what conservatives preach, it is.
Well, when that it does translate, you let me know...mmmkay?

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Since day 1, USA.
Voluntary, yes agreed.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Escalation with Solyndra and GM. Definitely agree with you there.
Pathetic that you can only name two, and right along the lines a partisan hack would tread.

"There is looming up a new and dark power... the enterprises of the country are aggregating vast corporate combinations of unexampled capital, boldly marching, not for economical conquests only, but for political power" -Edward G Ryan, 1873

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Well, when that it does translate, you let me know...mmmkay?

Voluntary, yes agreed.
Yeah, I'm sure you would take the economic policies of the 1960s over 1980s and later.
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