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Old 11-05-2011, 09:27 AM
 
Location: NJ
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"You might credibly accuse the OA of "re-writing history" if they were going around removing inscriptions from monuments. But in this case, they are opposing ADDING a new inscription to an existing monument.

In this case, I think the objection may center around the reference in FDR's prayer to "the unholy forces of our enemy". That may be what FDR said at the time, but it may seem kind of silly and provocative to add an inscription that needlessly impugns our important ally Germany, nearly 70 years after the fact. As some one else said in the thread, if FDR's prayer was that big a deal, they would have added it at the time the memorial was commissioned.

That means, whoever is advocating for ADDING the inscription is the party actually involved in the attempted re-write."


Good argument up to that point.

"unholy forces' did acurately describe Germany and provides our perspective which is important to express.

Germany has surpressed teaching that period of history. Sure, that will definitely offend some Germans who were and still are in support of the Nazis but most of the German people probably hated the path the Nazis took their nation and find FDR's phrase to be perfectly applicable. Anything an individual or government does is guaranteed to be offensive to someone. The most repulsive and violent acts of some nations do nothing to halt commerce or trade. Not to get off on Obama again but he insulted GB when he returned that bust of Churchill. Did that did that faux pas cause a rift in relations?

That's not the main point.

When a first lady openly states we have to change our history and anti christian religious supression is epidemic, sensitivities run high. So many segments of our society are claiming victim status over the slightest spoken word and being institutionally endorsed, it seems an intentional oversight that religious sensitivity is officially mocked. So the feds tell a majority of the population to suck it up in defense of minority opinion. That of course is the essence of our constitution which suffers from legal interpretation. Throw in growing support for sharia law by activist judges and the flames are fanned. A religious rule is used to govern and as such is exempt from our laws interpreted to seperate religion from government.


If feel good legislation by the reps, if that is their intent, is invalidated because of intent, then there are hundreds if not thousands of laws and proposed legislation that should also be vehemently opposed.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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"You might credibly accuse the OA of "re-writing history" if they were going around removing inscriptions from monuments. But in this case, they are opposing ADDING a new inscription to an existing monument.

In this case, I think the objection may center around the reference in FDR's prayer to "the unholy forces of our enemy". That may be what FDR said at the time, but it may seem kind of silly and provocative to add an inscription that needlessly impugns our important ally Germany, nearly 70 years after the fact. As some one else said in the thread, if FDR's prayer was that big a deal, they would have added it at the time the memorial was commissioned.

That means, whoever is advocating for ADDING the inscription is the party actually involved in the attempted re-write."

Good argument up to that point.

"unholy forces' did acurately describe Germany and provides our perspective which is important to express.

Germany has surpressed teaching that period of history. Sure, that will definitely offend some Germans who were and still are in support of the Nazis but most of the German people probably hated the path the Nazis took their nation and find FDR's phrase to be perfectly applicable. Anything an individual or government does is guaranteed to be offensive to someone. The most repulsive and violent acts of some nations do nothing to halt commerce or trade. Not to get off on Obama again but he insulted GB when he returned that bust of Churchill. Did that did that faux pas cause a rift in relations?

That's not the main point.

When a first lady openly states we have to change our history and anti christian religious supression is epidemic, sensitivities run high. So many segments of our society are claiming victim status over the slightest spoken word and being institutionally endorsed, it seems an intentional oversight that religious sensitivity is officially mocked. So the feds tell a majority of the population to suck it up in defense of minority opinion. That of course is the essence of our constitution which suffers from legal interpretation. Throw in growing support for sharia law by activist judges and the flames are fanned. A religious rule is used to govern and as such is exempt from our laws interpreted to seperate religion from government.


If feel good legislation by the reps, if that is their intent, is invalidated because of intent, then there are hundreds if not thousands of laws and proposed legislation that should also be vehemently opposed.
AND, is it even remotely possible, since you mentioned sharia law, that this plaque proposal is just another knee jerk response to fear of rampant islam? If so, it's inclusion on the memorial is wrongly motivated due to present events rather than historical ones, wouldn't you say?
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:51 AM
 
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I'd like to say that religion SHOULD be allowed to fade into history, along with witchhunts and magic.

Stop trying to force the state to etch your beliefs onto the world. you've already done more than enough spouting off your myths and waging wars with rival cults.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Does this latest salvo of US history suppression endorsed by the Obama administration and foretold by MO, cause you any concern about the direction the Obama regime is trying to force the country?

While the ACLU has been active before Obama, representing various anti Judeo-Christian groups, the speech by MO and the flood of attacks by federal agency heads on various war memorials , some located in remote desert and mountain areas, suggest a link between MO's words and a conscious attempt to rewrite US history?

The Obama administration has been more effective at rewriting our history than creating jobs...
No. It doesn't concern me in the least nor do I consider it 'suppressing' history.

Have to ask: why is it, do you think, that it wasn't included to begin with?
Perhaps people had a better understanding of the separation between church and state in the 40s and 50s than they do now.
Ironic, isn't it, given how many people think those were the 'good old days.'
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Thread fail.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Purposeful omissions IS rewriting history.
Did the prayer NOT happen ?
If so and it was broadcast to the nation why not put the inscription where it's appropriate..at the WWII memorial ?
But whose 'purposeful omission?' Certainly not the current president's nor the first lady's.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Uuuh; may I be permitted a small query?

If it is so all-fired important as a part of history, why wasn't it included at the time of the memorial being built? How come it's taken 60 years to think of this "historicaly imperative" addition?

Just ask'n.
My questions exactly.

And, shouldn't we be concerned about maintaining the historic value of the original monument as designed?
Talk about rewriting history.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Chairman Mao

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Chairman Obama and his ilk need to be purged from our midst.



Is a myocardial infarction too much to ask for?
Relax, chickenhawk. We got his back.
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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Imagine if you will, the entire nation listening to the president on the only means of timely communication, the radio.

An entire nation praying together.

Really, you'd not want successive generations to know the culture that produced men and women who gave their lives to create this country?

It seems grossly inconsistent that a growing institutional embarassment of our culture is held up against the charge of ignorance that we not judge other cultures. Beyond that, it is our history that is being lost and it is our history that shapes our future.
If a nation ommits history which it finds inconvenient it doesn't have to rewrite it for later generations. This is why it is often said that history is written by the winners.

I'd be happy to donate for the inscription. Where do we sign up?
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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So the Right is reduced to praying God strikes our president dead?

Of course, they way the GOP "candidates" look, that may be their only chance...
The wish was for me as I am sick of the crap your side spews fourth in the continued incremental destruction of my beloved country.

I don't believe we will unseat Bammers, unless something of biblical proportion occurs. However I do believe the Senate and House will belong to conservatives.
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