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The fact of the matter is Joe Paterno was a recipient of heresay. His testimony would not even be allowed in a court of law. Potentially destroying someone's life over heresay is a big deal. He did not witness the event and moved the allegations up the chain of command.
Frankly if a young man came to me and said he witnessed another man raping a child my first question to him would be why didn't you intervene?
It seems unfathomable that a man can witness such an act and not be immediately revolted into action. I would conclude that he is either lying or not telling the truth and would put the onus back on him to report it to the police since he witnessed it.
You need to read this article, especially the grand jury report (if you can stand it)
The fact of the matter is Joe Paterno was a recipient of heresay. His testimony would not even be allowed in a court of law. Potentially destroying someone's life over heresay is a big deal. He did not witness the event and moved the allegations up the chain of command.
Frankly if a young man came to me and said he witnessed another man raping a child my first question to him would be why didn't you intervene?
It seems unfathomable that a man can witness such an act and not be immediately revolted into action. I would conclude that he is either lying or not telling the truth and would put the onus back on him to report it to the police since he witnessed it.
What about the onus that is on you, now that you've been told that someone you work with closely is under any type of suspicion for this kind of act that we all know is only ever the tip of the iceberg?
Do you follow up? Do you confront your colleague? Do you go have a beer with him and forget about it? Do you think for a minute about the charity that he runs that brings him into contact with all those vulnerable young men and the implications of that? Or do you conveniently, as you suggest, put the onus on the witness-er only?
I'm sorry, but once you've been told and reported it, surely you would wonder why nothing further has happened - and you would, if you weren't complicit in the cover-up, make sure that the allegations were false before you put the onus on somebody else?
What about the onus that is on you, now that you've been told that someone you work with closely is under any type of suspicion for this kind of act that we all know is only ever the tip of the iceberg?
Do you follow up? Do you confront your colleague? Do you go have a beer with him and forget about it? Do you think for a minute about the charity that he runs that brings him into contact with all those vulnerable young men and the implications of that? Or do you conveniently, as you suggest, put the onus on the witness-er only?
I'm sorry, but once you've been told and reported it, surely you would wonder why nothing further has happened - and you would, if you weren't complicit in the cover-up, make sure that the allegations were false before you put the onus on somebody else?
Surely once you KNOW, the onus is on YOU.
Have you ever played the telephone game as a child? There is a reason why hearsay is nonadmissable in a court of law. Personally what I would do is agree to accompany the individual who told me this to the authorities.
Now I see what you're saying about following up and that's an aspect of this case I have an issue with as well. I guess in Paterno's defense in this regard he might have assumed since nothing happened to Sandusky that the charges were investigated and were without merit.
There have been cases of false child abuse reports that ended up ruining the lives of many people.
Have you ever played the telephone game as a child? There is a reason why hearsay is nonadmissable in a court of law. Personally what I would do is agree to accompany the individual who told me this to the authorities.
Now I see what you're saying about following up and that's an aspect of this case I have an issue with as well. I guess in Paterno's defense in this regard he might have assumed since nothing happened to Sandusky that the charges were investigated and were without merit.
There have been cases of false child abuse reports that ended up ruining the lives of many people.
There have, but this does not seem to be one of them. I wish all the doubters would stop posting for ten minutes and read the grand jury report.
The fact of the matter is Joe Paterno was a recipient of heresay. His testimony would not even be allowed in a court of law. Potentially destroying someone's life over heresay is a big deal. He did not witness the event and moved the allegations up the chain of command.
Frankly if a young man came to me and said he witnessed another man raping a child my first question to him would be why didn't you intervene?
It seems unfathomable that a man can witness such an act and not be immediately revolted into action. I would conclude that he is either lying or not telling the truth and would put the onus back on him to report it to the police since he witnessed it.
Fair Point that Macreary should have intervened, but he still doesn't get a by, fact is it was reported to Paterno and he did the minimum. Addtionally you are only focusing on one incident in 2002, this had already been going on for close to 10 years.
His employee(Sandusky) is his responsibility. And the report from the other coach is not second hand. The guy saw Sandusky raping the kid in the shower, he did not hear it from someone else.
Those poor kids thought they were going to spend a magical day with all of the great football players they idolize. Instead, they have their life forever altered by a sedistic poor excuse for a man named Sandusky.
In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Maddenwrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.
On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far. "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
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