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Old 11-06-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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UMDNJ to stop requiring nurses to assist with abortions if they object on religious grounds | NJ.com

"A group of nurses filed suit last week against the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, claiming the hospital required them to undergo training that involved assisting in the procedure."

I don't believe in most abortions on a fundamental level. However, this nonsense needs to stop. If doing your jobs offends some kind of deep political, religious or personal belief then you need to find a new job. Stop suing people and demanding that you are entitled to special treatment because you don't want to do something. That's like applying for a weekend job and then telling suing them if they try to get you to come in on Sunday (or Saturday, depending on your beliefs). Abortion is still legal, so if you don't want to have anything to do with abortion then don't take a job as an OB nurse at a hospital that performs abortions. It's really a no-brainer.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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As a health care professional your personal beliefs should not stop you from delivering care.

If I was a Jewish doc and a big ol' supremist rolled in with a swastika, guess what? The Jewish doc does his job, without question because that's a caregiver's duty.

This is up there with pharmacists who refused to hand out the morning after pill- do your job- rack up the pills- save the commentary.

If your religious beliefs prevent you from assisting- then you need a different job- med/surg floor nursing or what not.

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Old 11-06-2011, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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UMDNJ to stop requiring nurses to assist with abortions if they object on religious grounds | NJ.com

"A group of nurses filed suit last week against the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, claiming the hospital required them to undergo training that involved assisting in the procedure."

I don't believe in most abortions on a fundamental level. However, this nonsense needs to stop. If doing your jobs offends some kind of deep political, religious or personal belief then you need to find a new job. Stop suing people and demanding that you are entitled to special treatment because you don't want to do something. That's like applying for a weekend job and then telling suing them if they try to get you to come in on Sunday (or Saturday, depending on your beliefs). Abortion is still legal, so if you don't want to have anything to do with abortion then don't take a job as an OB nurse at a hospital that performs abortions. It's really a no-brainer.
You don't know the whole story. These were nurses who were not previously in a position to assist in abortions such as charge nurses, resource nurses, etc. They were told that as they were "Management" that they would be required to participate or be fired. You know what? I'd sue the crap out of them too. If someone told me, an ER/OPD nurse, that I was required to assist in abortions I'd tell them to bend over and pucker up because that is not the job I applied for, interviewed for, or was hired for. My nursing oath did not include anything about assisting in a procedure that I may a have a fundamental opposition to.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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As a health care professional your personal beliefs should not stop you from delivering care.

If I was a Jewish doc and a big ol' supremist rolled in with a swastika, guess what? The Jewish doc does his job, without question because that's a caregiver's duty.

This is up there with pharmacists who refused to hand out the morning after pill- do your job- rack up the pills- save the commentary.

If your religious beliefs prevent you from assisting- then you need a different job- med/surg floor nursing or what not.
Completely different situation. You provide the care to the patient in an emergency, regardless of who they are. Being forced to assist in an elective procedure you don't agree with is a completely different animal. Unless there is a medical necessity for the abortion (save the life of the mother) then it is an elective procedure,
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:40 AM
 
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You don't know the whole story. These were nurses who were not previously in a position to assist in abortions such as charge nurses, resource nurses, etc. They were told that as they were "Management" that they would be required to participate or be fired. You know what? I'd sue the crap out of them too. If someone told me, an ER/OPD nurse, that I was required to assist in abortions I'd tell them to bend over and pucker up because that is not the job I applied for, interviewed for, or was hired for. My nursing oath did not include anything about assisting in a procedure that I may a have a fundamental opposition to.
Your nursing oath was to be a nurse- this is a medical procedure- this is a political decision that would be stopping you from performing your duty and thus, not professional in my opinion.

I understand opposition to the topic. If you were a floor nurse, PACU, whatever- you wouldn't be in the OR hopefully.

However, I prefer to lead by consensus than force, so I'd try to have a 1st assist I could trust on these and not ask anyone to do anything they were uncomfortable with.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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You don't know the whole story. These were nurses who were not previously in a position to assist in abortions such as charge nurses, resource nurses, etc. They were told that as they were "Management" that they would be required to participate or be fired. You know what? I'd sue the crap out of them too. If someone told me, an ER/OPD nurse, that I was required to assist in abortions I'd tell them to bend over and pucker up because that is not the job I applied for, interviewed for, or was hired for. My nursing oath did not include anything about assisting in a procedure that I may a have a fundamental opposition to.
Crap! Complete and utter crap! Your oath holds no more sanctity than the oath of the doctors involved and for you to imply as management you "didn't sign up for this job" is just more crap! Elitist, religious cop out crap!

You are not the one to judge the merit behind an abortion. Your JOB starts and ends providing the care deemed necessary by a physician UNLESS that care is counter to the good health and well being of the patient.

You put yourself on that pedestal of having a higher moral obligation than other members of society and you're playing the god game.

Religious bigotry at it's finest!
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You don't know the whole story. These were nurses who were not previously in a position to assist in abortions such as charge nurses, resource nurses, etc. They were told that as they were "Management" that they would be required to participate or be fired. You know what? I'd sue the crap out of them too. If someone told me, an ER/OPD nurse, that I was required to assist in abortions I'd tell them to bend over and pucker up because that is not the job I applied for, interviewed for, or was hired for. My nursing oath did not include anything about assisting in a procedure that I may a have a fundamental opposition to.
From what I understand they were nurses working in the same-day surgery unit. If you're working in same-day surgery then you expected to assist patients who are having surgery. I would agree if they pulled a random ED nurse to perform an abortion, but that would be more of a scope of practice issue. An ED nurse would still be obligated to assist a patient who presents to the ED with complications stemming from an abortion procedure.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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Generally 'I don't feel comfortable' is code for insurrection.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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If doing your jobs offends some kind of deep political, religious or personal belief then you need to find a new job.
Exactly, the only time an employee should have grounds to refuse do work requested of them is if it's unsafe or illegal.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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If it's in their job description either explicitly or implicitly, then they need to either do their job or resign and go into a different field.
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