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it's hilarious how serious second hand smoking threats are to people who don't understand mathematics nor science..
you have just about a better chance of being hit with lightning twice in the same week than ever catching cancer from second hand smoke
if you really care about people's health, you should institute laws to make it illegal to have sex with anyone other than the 1 spouse you choose to be with for the rest of your life
that would save a lot of lives, suffering, pain, and wipe out aids in no time.
But instead the libs worry about something that isn't really harmful at all , unless your that one person out of 984,209,230 or so that catches cancer possibly from second hand smoke...
"The Compton City Council has unanimously approved an aggressive smoking ban that its backers call the most restrictive in the state. By Jan. 1, 2013, it will call for persons living in multi-unit residences to refrain from smoking inside their own living quarters."
Instead of the knee-jerk reactions usually posted on smoking ban threads here on this forum -- I admit I'm culpable with my own predictable replies since I abhor smoking -- let's imagine this scenario:
The upstairs/next-door/downstairs neighbor in your apartment complex has complained that your cigarette smoke is infiltrating their living space. Would you agree to refrain from smoking in your apartment in the absence of this kind of restrictive ban? Would you move if this kind of ban went into effect at your complex -- or would you quit the habit?
I predict Compton will be at the forefront of a wave of smoking bans in multi-unit residences. (I will now refrain from making any comment about how long it's going to take to go into effect in Compton.)
Compton approves strict ban on smoking | Los Angeles Wave - Community News, Sports & Entertainment | West Edition (http://www.wavenewspapers.com/news/local/west-edition/Compton-approves-strict-ban-on-smoking-133127938.html - broken link)
just more of the nanny state talking. vote with your feet and move somewhere else, like another state. sooner or later they might get the idea of their messing with the peoples private lives when taxpayers get up and move.
That might make sense if smelling farts caused heart disease, cancer, asthma or any of the other life-threatening medical conditions undeniably linked to cigarette smoke.
Has there been any proof that passing exposure causes those life-threatening medical conditions? The is some weak evidence that prolonged exposure to heavy amounts of environmental tobacco smoke might lead to a small increase in risk of lung cancer and heart disease, but those studies really only apply to people who are either married to smokers or work in environments with a lot of cigarette smoke (like bartenders). Is there any evidence that the guy next door who smokes on his balcony is causing anyone a measurable threat?
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The smoking Nazis used to claim to be concerned about the detrimental health effects from secondhand smoke, now they are concerned about secondhand smells.
That is the same about all busybodies. In countries that have some semblance of respect for individual rights, it is considered bad form to ban or outlaw something unless it is harmful to others. Trying to outlaw something just because you don't like it makes you look like a petty killjoy. How do busybodies get around this? By claiming private behaviors are a threat to public safety or public health. If they can convince the politicians or the public to believe it, they get their way.
That is why religious zealots and radical feminists claim that viewing pornography leads to rape. There is no evidence to support such claims, but they treat the claim like it is an undisputed and easily verifiable fact. The anti-masturbation campaigns (which are distinct from the anti-pornography campaigns) of the 1860s-1920s made up all sorts of false claims with absolutely no evidence such as masturbation causing blindness, sterility, insanity, mental retardation, and homicidal behavior. It came from both religious and secular authorities too.
Anti-smoking busybodies are one in the same. They don't like smoking and they hid behind half-truths, exaggerations, and complete horses--t in further their goals.
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Just wait until they try to ban or limit something you enjoy.
Considering how miserable and easily offended they are, I'm not sure if they enjoy anything.
It is cheaper to ban smoking in the building than to mediate the stench. This is no different than property management from implementing a "no pet" policy.
The difference here is this policy decision is taken out of the hands of the building owner/manager, if you wanted to use your pet analogy there is no pets allowed in any building because Big Brother says so. If I own a building in this area and want to cater to smokers that decision has been taken out of my hands. The anti smoking crowd never considers the rights of smokers and more importantly the rights of private property owners.
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it's hilarious how serious second hand smoking threats are to people who don't understand mathematics nor science..
Even more hilarious when this argument is used about those working in bars when you consider the air in working environments like garages, drywallers, welders etc. I should be quiet though because someone they will be advocating fixing these issues next and it's going to cost me $100 to get my oil changed so the owner can pay for his new air purification system mandated by law.
It is cheaper to ban smoking in the building than to mediate the stench. This is no different than property management from implementing a "no pet" policy.
Not true at all. There is a huge difference. I have no problem with a property owner imposing any rules they want because I can choose to rent from another apartment.
Of course the Roll Your Own smokers, arguably one of the poorest well-defined minority groups in the country, were doing OK at a $1/pound tax rate until President Obama hit them with a 2,000%+ increase (SCHIP) so smokers would fund the health care of all the nonsmokers' children that the nonsmokers were too selfish to fund themselves.
Oddly enough, Obama didn't see that as a tax on actual "people" as he pointed out on national TV during a broadcast of the Today show a few months later: See:
Obama telling a lie doesn't even make the news anymore.
He also outlawed flavored cigarettes (except menthol) .... and just like during prohibition, people now have to acquire them illegally... they import them from India, etc.
So with a stroke of his pen, Obama turned many Americans into criminals and put more Americans out of work..... while smiling and telling the lemmings that he did it for them.
The health effects of second hand smoke is just a bunch of propaganda garbage?
Yes.
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But I suppose they are all in it together. The private physicians, researchers, the National Institutes of Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Heart Association, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even Fox News. They all just want to conspire to take your cigarettes away.
They don't have to "conspire". Their objective is to reduce or eliminate smoking so they will do almost anything to achieve that goal. People will always seek out facts to support their predisposition. It's called confirmation bias, and it permeates humankind.
It is totally unacceptable for a doctor to defend against these attacks, so none do.
Check this out;
"What sustains pseudoscience is confirmation bias. We look for and welcome the evidence that fits our pet theory; we ignore or question the evidence that contradicts it. We all do this all the time. It’s not, as we often assume, something that only our opponents indulge in. I do it, you do it, it takes a superhuman effort not to do it. That is what keeps myths alive, sustains conspiracy theories and keeps whole populations in thrall to strange superstitions.
Bertrand Russell* pointed this out many years ago: “If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.”
He also outlawed flavored cigarettes (except menthol) .... and just like during prohibition, people now have to acquire them illegally... they import them from India, etc.
You can avoid taxes by rolling your own, current cost is roughly in the $10 per carton range compared to the $60+ they charge at the store. There is now a booming black market. By my estimates I could probably make somewhere in the neighborhood of $100K a year easily and that's with a simple manually operated machine.
LOL! Actually, I lived with someone for a while who was quite fond of cooking both a type of very fatty bacon/porky kind of thing PLUS a lot of frying fish. If people want to start bringing legislation based upon SMELLS... well, watch out if the vegans ever come to power.
In terms of medical harm from the levels of interapartmental smoke, it's nonsense. While it's possible there could be occasional EXTREME situations, in any normal real world scenario there's no harm. You can see an extended debate I just had on the subject with one of the world's leading "Secondhand Smoke Consultants" during a break period in the court trial he was "expert witnessing" at. You'll see that despite being asked on THIRTEEN SEPARATE OCCASIONS over the span of three weeks, he was NEVER able to come up with even a single valid study to support his point. See the exchange between me and James Repace at:
The case is now over btw. The complainer lost on 8 of the 9 counts, and on the one count where he sort of "won" the judge simply said the smoker should continue doing exactly what he had been doing before: smoking on his balcony!
Bravo! The claims of such danger from secondhand smoke is preposterous nonsense, which is why they cannot present any evidence to support this idiocy. Many have gone as far as to contest that secondhand smoke is actually more dangerous than firsthand smoke! The extreme disconnect from rationality and basic logic needed to embrace such a notion seems to be epidemic these days.
But that falls right in line with the latest craze that has been in the news from California (surprise, surprise) .... now it seems that "third hand smoke" is a major problem, who's danger lingers in the environment for weeks and months after all smoking has ceased!!!! What the hell is next? Is a photograph of tobacco going to cause psychological distress among the poor victims of second and third hand smoke?
I'll tell you what, don't mistake this as an issue just about "smoking", because it isn't. The driving force behind this push reflects the Nazi-like tyrannical mentality of those who are obsessed with controlling everyone around them ... the "tobacco" issue is just one manifestation. These are the same people obsessed with "Security", and "CO2", and any other cause that promotes the perceived need to impose bans and restrictions and prohibitions and censorship in all sorts of areas of people's private lives.
All freedom loving folks must recognize these people for who they really are and what they truly represent ... and we must rail against them at EVERY TURN, with the utmost strength and determination, for these little demigods will stop at nothing to attain that power to dictate to the rest of us ... leaving no effort undone, and no lie untold in their quest for total control and domination.
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