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Old 11-07-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
Thats a silly question. It almost implies that money isnt yours, it belongs to the government, and supporting people keeping their money is a ridiculous position. I disagree
That is how the dems, and especially 0bama, look at our wealth. They think any money we earn belongs to the government, and we are to consider ourselves fortunate to keep what they allow. That's why they look at the act of not taxing us on some activity becomes, what they call, a "tax expenditure", and allowing us to keep a portion of our money is viewed as "cuts in the tax code". They also believe that all income belongs to the Federal government, and any allowance for individuals to keep their money is called a “tax benefit” to we the people.
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Old 11-07-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Think about this; if 1% of the population pay 38% of America's income taxes, how much $$$ do you think they are earning?
Only 20% of the income. The top 1% are GROSSLY overpaying, nearly TWICE the percentage of the income they earn.

If they were paying their "fair share," they'd only be paying 20% of America's federal income tax.
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Old 11-07-2011, 04:52 PM
 
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Capitalism has never failed in any country where it has been left alone without government intervention, and since ALL of the financial catastrophies which this country has endure since the creation of the Fed in 1913 can be laid at the feet of our politicians, and the overwhelming majority of those were Democrats, starting with FDR, Carter & Obama.
This is hands down one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen, ever. Anywhere.
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Old 11-07-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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That chart ends conveniently in 2007, there are a lot fewer in the 1% in this 0bama economy now, because we are all getting poorer.

The poor will always be poor. The income gap between the 1% and someone who has no job will continue to get much wider as incomes rise.

Let's say I own a hardware store, wouldn't you say my profit margin will remain fairly constant, no matter what happens to income levels at the top 1%? So how can I pay my employees $5-$10 more per hour, so they can keep up with the 1%? Where am I supposed to come up with all this extra cash?
The top 1% will not spend enough at your store to keep you in business. If the bottom 99% can no longer afford to buy from your store, you are out of business.

The income gap between the richest and poorest Americans grew last year to its largest margin ever, a stark divide as Democrats and Republicans spar over whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.

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The top-earning 20 percent of Americans – those making more than $100,000 each year – received 49.4 percent of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4 percent made by the bottom 20 percent of earners, those who fell below the poverty line, according to the new figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.

At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, the data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.
Income Gap Widens:2010 Census Finds Record Gap Between Rich And Poor
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Old 11-07-2011, 04:53 PM
 
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Only 20% of the income. The top 1% are GROSSLY overpaying, nearly TWICE the percentage of the income they earn.

If they were paying their "fair share," they'd only be paying 20% of America's federal income tax.
You are forgetting the fact that a lot of the super-rich make a LOT of income in long-term capital gains, dividends, and other forms of non-wage/salary income that are taxed at far LOWER rates than wages and salaries.

Also, many, many Americans who are not rich pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes.
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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This is hands down one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen, ever. Anywhere.
Really? What makes it so ignorant any more than your reply?
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You are forgetting the fact that a lot of the super-rich make a LOT of income in long-term capital gains, dividends, and other forms of non-wage/salary income that are taxed at far LOWER rates than wages and salaries.

Also, many, many Americans who are not rich pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes.
Tell me how them earning long term capital gains changes the fact that they pay a higher percentage than the rest of society?
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:23 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Taxing the 1%, 100% of their income and it will not put a dent in the debt, with the spending levels currently laid out by our Central Government.



Class warfare, is barking up the wrong tree.
The idea is to get the windfall back that they enjoyed under Bush policies. I think a 600% tax is more appropriate.

ANY tax increase on the rich is better than the ridiculous Republican practice of reducing their taxes.

Enjoy President Obama's second term.
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Taxing the 1%, 100% of their income and it will not put a dent in the debt, with the spending levels currently laid out by our Central Government.



Class warfare, is barking up the wrong tree.
+1. We don't have a revenue problem in America, we have a spending problem.
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You are forgetting the fact that a lot of the super-rich make a LOT of income in long-term capital gains, dividends, and other forms of non-wage/salary income that are taxed at far LOWER rates than wages and salaries.
Doesn't matter, they're STILL collecting only 20% of the income.

If they were paying their "fair share," they'd only be paying 20% of America's federal income tax.

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Also, many, many Americans who are not rich pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes.
...which is neither here nor there. Why shouldn't income earners pay payroll taxes for the federally mandated social insurance programs?
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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The idea is to get the windfall back that they enjoyed under Bush policies. I think a 600% tax is more appropriate.
I cant for a second take anyone seriously that believes that allowing people to keep their money = a "windfall"
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ANY tax increase on the rich is better than the ridiculous Republican practice of reducing their taxes.
Why is taking money off people better than allowing people to keep it?
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Enjoy President Obama's second term.
Keep dreaming. Half of american who are tired of being attacked by the President wont for a second vote for him. He campaigned on bringing the nation together, not dividing it!!

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