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Old 11-08-2011, 08:13 AM
 
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So what's the consensus?

All Democrats, including President Obama, are against jumpstarting 50,000 new well paying jobs in America?


That's a hell of a lot more than his stupid re-election "Jobs Bill" will create. And at no cost to taxpayers.

Obama wants to pee another half a trillion dollars down the toilet. $465,000,000,000,000.

Get it?
After the initial building of the pipeline, what jobs will it create?



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I have researched it .... and more than 50,000 jobs are waiting to be had. Safely.


If we get a Republican in office many thousands of jobs will be on top of that, because we will be able to drill for oil offshore, too.
Safely. So you're gonna assure me the pipeline won't spill?
That's a pretty big tough to fix slip up, if it did.


http://www.grist.org/oil/2011-05-12-...ize-a-disaster
"Instead of one spill every seven years, oil has spilled 11 times in the last year."
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Delightful, should help keep energy prices skyrocketing Comrades!!!
Yup and we can keep buying expensive oil from our "friends" in the mid-east. Whacko dcats.
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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GREEN jobs are number one to Obama. This pipeline is for something other than green. He doesn't know that we have all kinds of shorter pipelines running all over this country and they don't all carry refined products, either.
As I heard someone say last night, "paint the pipeline green."
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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Yup and we can keep buying expensive oil from our "friends" in the mid-east. Whacko dcats.
We already get a majority of our oil from North American sources. The ONLY reason the tar sands is even being exploited is due to crude prices staying high enough to make it even slightly economically feasible.

Also, not a single "conservative" in this thread has touched the bigger question of a foreign owned private company looking to take away property rights from US citizens. "They'll work it out" is not an answer. How is threatening to use the power of the state to force someone into a contract that restricts the enjoyment of their land in exchange for profits of an private entity not have so called "conservatives" up in arms?
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Between Seattle and Portland
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What about this development, conservatives?

"As the U.S. State Department proceeds with a special review of the Obama administration's handling of TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline proposal, pipes for the project are already being delivered south of the border.

Truckloads of pipe from Canada are arriving daily in Gascoyne, N.D., where they are being stockpiled, Radio-Canada reporter Marc Godbout reported Monday."

Canada delivering Keystone XL pipes to U.S. - Canada - CBC News

What utter arrogance by a foreign corporation.
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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What about this development, conservatives?

"As the U.S. State Department proceeds with a special review of the Obama administration's handling of TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline proposal, pipes for the project are already being delivered south of the border.

Truckloads of pipe from Canada are arriving daily in Gascoyne, N.D., where they are being stockpiled, Radio-Canada reporter Marc Godbout reported Monday."

Canada delivering Keystone XL pipes to U.S. - Canada - CBC News

What utter arrogance by a foreign corporation.
Not really already 40% of US oil comes from Canada.....it is going to be apporved after the 2012 election and so far it's just some semi-trucks loaded with pipes heading down south to drop it off as they get ready to weld them together and bury them.

Canada also has the Enbridge Pipeline forging ahead to the B.C. coast to ship oil to China and Natural Gas to Japan and South Korea by super tankers.

According to Manik Talwani, a geophysicist at Rice University, there are two countries that are most likely to attain the status of Oil superpower: Venezuela and Canada.[Citing their enormous potential reserves (1.2 trillion potential barrels for Venezuela and 1.75 trillion for Canada's oil sands), Dr. Talwani believes that they have the reserves to become energy superpowers in the next few decades as oil production declines elsewhere. However, as Dr. Talwani notes, both need 100 billion dollars or more to increase their production levels up to those of true energy superpowers

The term energy superpower does not have a clear definition.[ It has come to be used to refer to a nation that supplies large amounts of energy resources (crude oil, natural gas, coal, uranium, etc.) to a significant number of other states, and which therefore has the potential to influence world markets to gain a political or economic advantage. This might be exercised, for example, by significantly influencing the price on global markets, or by withholding supplies The status of "energy superpower" should not be confused with that of "superpower", as the nature of an energy superpower is defined very differently due to the non-military nature of an energy superpower's power base.

Energy superpowers project greater power than would be otherwise possible due to their lock on the exportable energy markets, and are becoming increasingly valuable to the global economy. In the global commodities' boom of recent years many of these states have benefited massively from increased production and prices.

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Old 11-08-2011, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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I have heard the amount of jobs that would be created have been grossly over stated, the potential harm to the envirorment is unthinkable, the existing pipeline that exists in North Dakota I think has had close to 50 leaks on both sides of the border. This whole pipeline business is about politics and money.
This short video gives the basic facts.


Dean Hulse talks about the Keystone XL Pipeline in downtown Fargo (Oct. 28, 2011) - YouTube
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Old 11-08-2011, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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Absolutely. Most of us actually get this. But, not the far left. It is their intention to absolutely destroy the USA. We need energy independence as a matter of national security and that requires every source we can utilize.

tar sands | White House | pipeline | The Daily Caller
As the article you linked to mentions the October2011.org part of Occupy D.C. was at this protest.
We marched from Freedom Plaza to the White House to meet up with the other 10,000 protesters.
My pictures from Sunday's Tar Sands Action

Stop Keystone "Tar Sands" XL Pipeline - PHOTObyTED's Photos
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Question.
One argument is that it means less dependence on oil from the mid-East.
Is this true?
"Keystone XL will not lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil, but transport Canadian oil to American refineries for export to overseas markets."
Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action

Is US land just to be a pathway for Candian oil to be exported elsewhere?
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Old 11-09-2011, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Question.
One argument is that it means less dependence on oil from the mid-East.
Is this true?
"Keystone XL will not lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil, but transport Canadian oil to American refineries for export to overseas markets."
Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action

Is US land just to be a pathway for Candian oil to be exported elsewhere?
No the US gets 20% of the gross profit out of the deal. It means both the US and Canada create jobs, have secure oil and through taxes and enviro fee's make Trillions for the state and Federal Govronment.

Why do you think Canada and the US signed the SPP

Canadian Border Security a New Border Vision- Our Sovereignty At Stake - YouTube
we are pretty much one nation we both gave up our some of our National Sovereignty

Ron Paul- The Only Candidate Who Dared to Tell you the Truth about NAU - YouTube
Ron paul nailed it before Obama and Harper signed the deal.
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