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Old 11-12-2011, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Fairfax
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Originally Posted by Gibbous Moon View Post
Let's see, what's in it for Russia:

*Russia nukes Israel ane becomes an international pariah.
*Israel, going down, does as nations with nuclear weapons do, and lashes out in its death throes. Not surprisingly, Russia gets a few cans of instant sunshine thrown its way.
*Markets go ballistic and oil prices skyrocket beyond all imagination as the clouds of fallout drift east, over the various fields of the Gulf area as well as over Iran, ironically. While Russia benefits from high oil prices, that benefit is more than offset by the ensuing global economic debacle that will make what we're in now look like party-time, to say nothing of the cost of a few of its cities disappearing in mushroom clouds.
*Every nuclear and conventional limitation and disarmament agreement which Russia has sought and negotiated and implemented over the years goes out the window as a new arms race ensues.

Of course, all of this would be spelled out in excruciating detail to the Russian leadership by various advisors long before any nuclear weapon was launch.

And in your universe, the Russian leadership says, "OK, sounds like a good plan, bring me the cheget!" (what the Russians call the nuclear football) ?



You're confusing the way you want the Russians to behave with the way states with geopolitical interests actually behave. I'm afraid your nuclear fantasies are going to remain just that, because the Russian leadership won't behave in the inanely delusional way you obviously want them to behave.
Nice to see a well written response to the possibility of Russian action. Some on here just love to "toss in" Russia and China as if they were so strongly allied with Iran that they would forego their economic development (and cities, as you said).
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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Nice to see a well written response to the possibility of Russian action. Some on here just love to "toss in" Russia and China as if they were so strongly allied with Iran that they would forego their economic development (and cities, as you said).
This is all about Russia and China vs. the IMF bankers.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:00 AM
 
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That's becasue Israel is about to get nuked by Russia.
When this doesn't happen the forum expects an essay from you explaining what exactly went wrong in your head to cause you to reach to such an astounding level of dumbassedry.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:15 AM
 
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nm_156. Sorry dude, but you are 100 percent CLUELESS!!!!!
That is a gross understatement!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it is also a FACT!!
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:41 AM
 
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When this doesn't happen the forum expects an essay from you explaining what exactly went wrong in your head to cause you to reach to such an astounding level of dumbassedry.
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That is a gross understatement!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it is also a FACT!!
Still waiting for the imminent attack on Iran from Israel. Why hasn't that happened? Because Russia has their nukes aimed at Israel and China has their submarines aimed at the U.S.
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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Still waiting for the imminent attack on Iran from Israel. Why hasn't that happened? Because Russia has their nukes aimed at Israel and China has their submarines aimed at the U.S.
What flavor of Kool-Aid are you drinking?
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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What flavor of Kool-Aid are you drinking?
When is Israel going to attack Iran?
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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When is Israel going to attack Iran?
OK, I get it. Guy just joined the forum this month...so, he's trying to run up some points (rep) by being outlandish and sensational....but his plan has backfired....and fizzled...
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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OK, I get it. Guy just joined the forum this month...so, he's trying to run up some points (rep) by being outlandish and sensational....but his plan has backfired....and fizzled...
Outlandish and sensational? That's your thread title.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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When this doesn't happen the forum expects an essay from you explaining what exactly went wrong in your head to cause you to reach to such an astounding level of dumbassedry.
Not an essay, a 10,000 word RBI.

I might actually pay to see that.

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When is Israel going to attack Iran?
When Venus begins to decay in its orbit and crashes into the Sun.

It's a matter of physics.

I have explained why 50,000 times.

Israel will not attack Iran, because there is no value in it, not to mention it is a matter of physics.

Israel will not attack Iran's uranium ore mining operations, because that will not delay any alleged nuclear weapons program, not to mention it is a matter of physics.

Tell everyone how many aircraft it will require, just to attack and destroy the mining facilities.

Don't you know?

Well, I'll help you with the math, just tell everyone the formula.

C'mon, we're waiting. What's the formula Kenneth?

How many air strikes have you planned in your life-time?

Okay, I'll give you a hint:

(1 - P(d))^nt

That's part of the formula you need to calculate how many aircraft you need to destroy a particular target (plus provide air cover since attack aircraft cannot do that).

You could at least demonstrate you know what you're talking about by telling us what the variables mean. I know what they mean, because I used to sit in the TOC and do these.

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Never said Israel was Christian. But the Majority of Americans are.
So are the majority of Russians.

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*Every nuclear and conventional limitation and disarmament agreement which Russia has sought and negotiated and implemented over the years goes out the window as a new arms race ensues.
Russia does have a NATO/Warsaw Pact-like defense treaty with Iran and three other countries in Central Asia.

We've discussed that here on C-D. It was signed several years ago.

If Russia came to the aid of Iran, they would not use nuclear weapons.

However, if Russia did use nuclear weapons, Russia would use a 10 kt ERW (Enhanced Radiation Weapon -- yeah a neutron bomb) delivered by a Blackjack.

The damage would be equivalent to a normal nuclear device in the 0.1 kt to 1 kt range.

It would look like a dud. For god's sake stay the hell away from anything made of aluminum. That stuff will kill you (literally -- about 3 days).

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You're confusing the way you want the Russians to behave with the way states with geopolitical interests actually behave.
So, you're saying he is Tom Clancy?

Well, Clancy is stupid, but I didn't know he was that stupid.
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