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A typical cocky assessment by someone trying to rely on brainpower completely void of sapience. As for Israel's 'helper'...it is God, the Creator. The U.S. Military is...at times, simply HIS instrument. But, one must have insight and Wisdom...to realize these hidden secrets!
Talk about "void of sapience."
The U.S. military as HIS instrument? Whew....i'm speechless.
That's all I can find telling me the opposite of what you are saying...
Uh, it was the '73 Yom Kippur War. The big clue was Nixon and Kissinger. Nixon didn't become president until '68.
You can read US Army War College archives.
That was a water-shed event, thanks to a monograph written by a staff officer at the war college. The Arabs fought using the same style and doctrine as the US and the Brits, and the Israelis were using some strange Soviet/Wehrmacht style of war-fighting.
That threw the US into a total panic (because the US realized it was clueless).
So, 2 years later, we had a new OPFOR manual FM 30-102 Opposing Forces Europe (June 1976). And then a brand new war-fighting doctrine called AirLand Battle 2000. I was at TRADOC Headquarters doing the Rear Area Combat Operations section. That's how I ended up in Egypt.
Then 2 years later we were ready with Division '86. All armored and mech infantry companies get another platoon, mech and armored battalions get another company (an anti-armor company), the composite batteries are eliminated, the 3x6 6"/155 mm format is changed to a 3x8 6"/155 mm format (which means what? -- each artillery battalion now has 24 tubes instead of 18) and the 4x 8"/203 mm batteries are eliminated and replaced by an MLRS battery.
Which was a good thing, because the Soviets would have rolled over most US units.
In the '73 War, the Syrians were just hours away from Jerusalem. Had they been trained by the Soviets and fought in the Soviet style, they would have taken Jerusalem, but instead, because they fought in the US/British Western style, they withdrew to the high ground to consolidate (a big mistake but standard procedure in US/British style).
Israel claims only 98 air losses, but at least two IAF pilots have stated 115 aircraft were lost. The US estimates about 150-180 (and the Russians over 200). The US estimates most likely included downed aircraft, plus aircraft that returned to base but were damaged beyond repair.
Both the Syrians and Egyptians had ZSU-23-4s paired with SA-6 batteries. SOP usually calls for two pairs. The IAF lost about 40 aircraft to the ZSUs and another 40 to the SA-6. About 6 air combat kills, and then the SA-2 and SA-7 got the others. The have independent radar, but use the same FDC.
The IAF lost most of their aircraft trying to destroy the SA-6 batteries, and got whacked by the ZSUs, and then when they tried to take out the ZSUs, they got whacked by the SA-6s.
A couple of sources claim a few thousand Grails (SA-7s) were fired, with only a few hits. That's probably true, and that's probably why the Soviets came out with a new shoulder-fired SAM a year later. The Gaskins (SA-9s were garbage too. Warhead was too small for one thing.
Dupuy says the Israeli counter-attack on Egyptian positions in the Sinai on October 8 was the worst defeat in Israeli history. Egyptian anti-armor units hacked one Israeli division to pieces and the other was commanded by a discombobulated idiot who ran around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to find the Egyptians and he didn't find them until too late.
Israel's defeat was so bad, they actually readied nuclear weapons for use.
Seymour Hersh said that according to Kissinger, Golda Meir had engaged in nuclear blackmail, basically threatening to use nukes unless the US re-supplied Israel.
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Originally Posted by quality guy
A typical cocky assessment by someone trying to rely on brainpower completely void of sapience. As for Israel's 'helper'...it is God, the Creator. The U.S. Military is...at times, simply HIS instrument. But, one must have insight and Wisdom...to realize these hidden secrets!
Pray to your god harder. Maybe he'll fill you in on the details.
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Originally Posted by spiellgood
Alot of this is unsubstantiated baloney, and the comments about Syria are total lies; it was the Israelis who jammed the Syrian radar systems:
Nice attempt pretending to be "authoritative" on a public web forum.
Oh, yeah, wired.com I'm sure is a competent source. Why don't you try reading professional military journals for once in your life. The US Air Force has one of their own you know.
Yeah, I'm at a loss to be able to differentiate them from the Mullahs.
Uh, it was the '73 Yom Kippur War. The big clue was Nixon and Kissinger. Nixon didn't become president until '68.
You can read US Army War College archives.
That was a water-shed event, thanks to a monograph written by a staff officer at the war college. The Arabs fought using the same style and doctrine as the US and the Brits, and the Israelis were using some strange Soviet/Wehrmacht style of war-fighting.
That threw the US into a total panic (because the US realized it was clueless).
So, 2 years later, we had a new OPFOR manual FM 30-102 Opposing Forces Europe (June 1976). And then a brand new war-fighting doctrine called AirLand Battle 2000. I was at TRADOC Headquarters doing the Rear Area Combat Operations section. That's how I ended up in Egypt.
Then 2 years later we were ready with Division '86. All armored and mech infantry companies get another platoon, mech and armored battalions get another company (an anti-armor company), the composite batteries are eliminated, the 3x6 6"/155 mm format is changed to a 3x8 6"/155 mm format (which means what? -- each artillery battalion now has 24 tubes instead of 18) and the 4x 8"/203 mm batteries are eliminated and replaced by an MLRS battery.
Which was a good thing, because the Soviets would have rolled over most US units.
In the '73 War, the Syrians were just hours away from Jerusalem. Had they been trained by the Soviets and fought in the Soviet style, they would have taken Jerusalem, but instead, because they fought in the US/British Western style, they withdrew to the high ground to consolidate (a big mistake but standard procedure in US/British style).
Israel claims only 98 air losses, but at least two IAF pilots have stated 115 aircraft were lost. The US estimates about 150-180 (and the Russians over 200). The US estimates most likely included downed aircraft, plus aircraft that returned to base but were damaged beyond repair.
Both the Syrians and Egyptians had ZSU-23-4s paired with SA-6 batteries. SOP usually calls for two pairs. The IAF lost about 40 aircraft to the ZSUs and another 40 to the SA-6. About 6 air combat kills, and then the SA-2 and SA-7 got the others. The have independent radar, but use the same FDC.
The IAF lost most of their aircraft trying to destroy the SA-6 batteries, and got whacked by the ZSUs, and then when they tried to take out the ZSUs, they got whacked by the SA-6s.
A couple of sources claim a few thousand Grails (SA-7s) were fired, with only a few hits. That's probably true, and that's probably why the Soviets came out with a new shoulder-fired SAM a year later. The Gaskins (SA-9s were garbage too. Warhead was too small for one thing.
Dupuy says the Israeli counter-attack on Egyptian positions in the Sinai on October 8 was the worst defeat in Israeli history. Egyptian anti-armor units hacked one Israeli division to pieces and the other was commanded by a discombobulated idiot who ran around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to find the Egyptians and he didn't find them until too late.
Israel's defeat was so bad, they actually readied nuclear weapons for use.
Seymour Hersh said that according to Kissinger, Golda Meir had engaged in nuclear blackmail, basically threatening to use nukes unless the US re-supplied Israel.
Pray to your god harder. Maybe he'll fill you in on the details.
Oh, yeah, wired.com I'm sure is a competent source. Why don't you try reading professional military journals for once in your life. The US Air Force has one of their own you know.
This was all informing, though it justifies the bullying ways of the Shah of Iran then.
Canada ready to take action on Iran if needed, Harper says:
In a blunt warning amid an escalating crisis, the Harper government declared Friday that Canada stands ready to join with other nations in preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Supporting a resolution by the International Atomic Energy Agency that expresses “deep and increasing concern” over evidence that Iran is proceeding with plans to become a nuclear power, the Harper government vowed in its submission to “continue to work with like-minded nations on next steps.
The question is not if, but rather the degree to which, we will act,” the submission declared.
The United States, Europe and other Western nations strongly supported the IAEA resolution, which was overwhelmingly approved by its board of directors Friday in Vienna.
The final resolution was stripped of clauses warning that action could be taken against Iran if it does not halt development of a nuclear weapon, in order to gain the support of Russia and China.
However, the resolution sends a clear warning to the Tehran regime that the international community will not stand by as it seeks to join the nuclear club.
While Iran insists its nuclear research program has only peaceful purposes, a recent IAEA report declared that there was clear evidence Iran was moving toward making a bomb.
“It is no longer within the bounds of credulity to claim that Iran’s nuclear activities are solely peaceful,” said Glyn Davies, the chief U.S. delegate to the IAEA, adding: “There is little doubt that Iran … at the very least, wants to position itself for a nuclear weapons capability.”
The Canadian government agreed. “There is no plausible peaceful use” for Iran’s uranium-enrichment program, the submission declared. “… Iran’s nuclear activities can only be understood in the context of a nuclear weapons development effort.”
There are growing indications that Israel and/or the United States might be prepared to take pre-emptive military action to destroy Iran’s nuclear weapons-making capability. Were that to happen, this submission appears to confirm that the Harper government would offer its strong support. Canada ready to take action on Iran if needed, Harper says - The Globe and Mail
Canada ready to take action on Iran if needed, Harper says:
In a blunt warning amid an escalating crisis, the Harper government declared Friday that Canada stands ready to join with other nations in preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Supporting a resolution by the International Atomic Energy Agency that expresses “deep and increasing concern” over evidence that Iran is proceeding with plans to become a nuclear power, the Harper government vowed in its submission to “continue to work with like-minded nations on next steps.
The question is not if, but rather the degree to which, we will act,” the submission declared.
The United States, Europe and other Western nations strongly supported the IAEA resolution, which was overwhelmingly approved by its board of directors Friday in Vienna.
The final resolution was stripped of clauses warning that action could be taken against Iran if it does not halt development of a nuclear weapon, in order to gain the support of Russia and China.
However, the resolution sends a clear warning to the Tehran regime that the international community will not stand by as it seeks to join the nuclear club.
While Iran insists its nuclear research program has only peaceful purposes, a recent IAEA report declared that there was clear evidence Iran was moving toward making a bomb.
“It is no longer within the bounds of credulity to claim that Iran’s nuclear activities are solely peaceful,” said Glyn Davies, the chief U.S. delegate to the IAEA, adding: “There is little doubt that Iran … at the very least, wants to position itself for a nuclear weapons capability.”
The Canadian government agreed. “There is no plausible peaceful use” for Iran’s uranium-enrichment program, the submission declared. “… Iran’s nuclear activities can only be understood in the context of a nuclear weapons development effort.”
There are growing indications that Israel and/or the United States might be prepared to take pre-emptive military action to destroy Iran’s nuclear weapons-making capability. Were that to happen, this submission appears to confirm that the Harper government would offer its strong support. Canada ready to take action on Iran if needed, Harper says - The Globe and Mail
Looks like NATO is getting Ready for something...
''There are growing indications that Israel and/or the United States might be prepared to take pre-emptive military action to destroy Iran’s nuclear weapons-making capability. Were that to happen, this submission appears to confirm that the Harper government would offer its strong support.'' Canada ready to take action on Iran if needed, Harper says - The Globe and Mail
So, there now IS...somewhat more growing support for preventing Iran from developing Nukes for killing people.
The sheeple are innocents.. the rulers and their puppet masters are culpable. Death is a sad thing, always.
Yeah, kinda Shocking to see her post that barbaric statement...especially since she started a real nice 'people Thread' called ''So, all 'hatred' aside...how is everyone on this frosty November night.'' - SAD, people can be so bias and brutal toward other nations, races, and people who all bleed 'Red blood' like us ALL!!
Yeah, I'm at a loss to be able to differentiate them from the Mullahs.
Uh, it was the '73 Yom Kippur War. The big clue was Nixon and Kissinger. Nixon didn't become president until '68.
You can read US Army War College archives.
That was a water-shed event, thanks to a monograph written by a staff officer at the war college. The Arabs fought using the same style and doctrine as the US and the Brits, and the Israelis were using some strange Soviet/Wehrmacht style of war-fighting.
That threw the US into a total panic (because the US realized it was clueless).
So, 2 years later, we had a new OPFOR manual FM 30-102 Opposing Forces Europe (June 1976). And then a brand new war-fighting doctrine called AirLand Battle 2000. I was at TRADOC Headquarters doing the Rear Area Combat Operations section. That's how I ended up in Egypt.
Then 2 years later we were ready with Division '86. All armored and mech infantry companies get another platoon, mech and armored battalions get another company (an anti-armor company), the composite batteries are eliminated, the 3x6 6"/155 mm format is changed to a 3x8 6"/155 mm format (which means what? -- each artillery battalion now has 24 tubes instead of 18) and the 4x 8"/203 mm batteries are eliminated and replaced by an MLRS battery.
Which was a good thing, because the Soviets would have rolled over most US units.
In the '73 War, the Syrians were just hours away from Jerusalem. Had they been trained by the Soviets and fought in the Soviet style, they would have taken Jerusalem, but instead, because they fought in the US/British Western style, they withdrew to the high ground to consolidate (a big mistake but standard procedure in US/British style).
Israel claims only 98 air losses, but at least two IAF pilots have stated 115 aircraft were lost. The US estimates about 150-180 (and the Russians over 200). The US estimates most likely included downed aircraft, plus aircraft that returned to base but were damaged beyond repair.
Both the Syrians and Egyptians had ZSU-23-4s paired with SA-6 batteries. SOP usually calls for two pairs. The IAF lost about 40 aircraft to the ZSUs and another 40 to the SA-6. About 6 air combat kills, and then the SA-2 and SA-7 got the others. The have independent radar, but use the same FDC.
The IAF lost most of their aircraft trying to destroy the SA-6 batteries, and got whacked by the ZSUs, and then when they tried to take out the ZSUs, they got whacked by the SA-6s.
A couple of sources claim a few thousand Grails (SA-7s) were fired, with only a few hits. That's probably true, and that's probably why the Soviets came out with a new shoulder-fired SAM a year later. The Gaskins (SA-9s were garbage too. Warhead was too small for one thing.
Dupuy says the Israeli counter-attack on Egyptian positions in the Sinai on October 8 was the worst defeat in Israeli history. Egyptian anti-armor units hacked one Israeli division to pieces and the other was commanded by a discombobulated idiot who ran around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to find the Egyptians and he didn't find them until too late.
Israel's defeat was so bad, they actually readied nuclear weapons for use.
Seymour Hersh said that according to Kissinger, Golda Meir had engaged in nuclear blackmail, basically threatening to use nukes unless the US re-supplied Israel.
Pray to your god harder. Maybe he'll fill you in on the details.
Oh, yeah, wired.com I'm sure is a competent source. Why don't you try reading professional military journals for once in your life. The US Air Force has one of their own you know.
So, you're insinuating Israel can't hold it's own now?
It is one thing to prove that Israel did, in fact, need our help back then-- but it won't reflect much on today...
At 4:50 A.M. EST it will be 288 hours since Israel has not attacked Iran.
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Shocking to see her post that barbaric statement...especially since she started a real nice 'people Thread' called ''So, all 'hatred' aside...how is everyone on this frosty November night.'' - SAD, people can be so bias and brutal toward other nations, races, and people who all bleed 'Red blood' like us ALL!! 
