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Old 11-10-2011, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I am sorry, what part of 'work to create your own job' did you not understand?
So corporations can move hundreds of thousands of jobs out of America and place them in the third world all while making record profits, cheating the system by avoiding taxes to our Government and making their profit almost exclusively off the people they took the jobs from?

And the people should then "create their own jobs"? Got it, sounds like you're a reasonable person HAHA

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Old 11-10-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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It is only a "revolution" if the people win. Otherwise it is called an "insurrection."
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Revolution is promoted by the Constitution.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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So corporations can move hundreds of thousands of jobs out of America and place them in the third world all while making record profits, cheating the system by avoiding taxes to our Government and making their profit almost exclusively off the people they took the jobs from?

And the people should then "create their own jobs"? Got it, sounds like you're a reasonable person HAHA
What corporation is doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves? I am firmly middle class and have never paid over 10% in an effective yearly tax rate. Stop whining about corporations and pick up a book on tax law. Hell, all corporate taxes are double taxation anyway.

People should get off their a**es and make something for themselves. Here is a thought slick, no one owes you a thing. You want something for your life? Make it for yourself. The world doesn't owe you a dime.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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What corporation is doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves? I am firmly middle class and have never paid over 10% in an effective yearly tax rate. Stop whining about corporations and pick up a book on tax law. Hell, all corporate taxes are double taxation anyway.

People should get off their a**es and make something for themselves. Here is a thought slick, no one owes you a thing. You want something for your life? Make it for yourself. The world doesn't owe you a dime.
Please show me where I said anyone owes me anything. It seems that people like you have a mental block where anytime anyone complains about Corporate Cronyism, a government controlled by lobbyists and corporations and Corporate Welfare backed by the American taxpayer, it is translated as "pay my student loans" "I never want to work".

I have been working since I was 14, graduated college with less than $20,000 in student loans and have a well paying job. But that does not matter to me when it comes to corruption in our Government. If you do not care about it, move to a country where its citizens aren't afforded the same free speech and where politicians are dictators.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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Please show me where I said anyone owes me anything. It seems that people like you have a mental block where anytime anyone complains about Corporate Cronyism, a government controlled by lobbyists and corporations and Corporate Welfare backed by the American taxpayer, it is translated as "pay my student loans" "I never want to work".

I have been working since I was 14, graduated college with less than $20,000 in student loans and have a well paying job. But that does not matter to me when it comes to corruption in our Government. If you do not care about it, move to a country where its citizens aren't afforded the same free speech and where politicians are dictators.
You didn't answer my question. What do corporations do to 'cheat the tax system' that you or I cannot do ourselves?

Every one of us has the ability to take advantage of the same benefits of corporations, we are simply too lazy or uneducated to do so. I refuse to protest simply because someone else took the time to research tax laws and I didn't.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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You didn't answer my question. What do corporations do to 'cheat the tax system' that you or I cannot do ourselves?

Every one of us has the ability to take advantage of the same benefits of corporations, we are simply too lazy or uneducated to do so. I refuse to protest simply because someone else took the time to research tax laws and I didn't.
But I don't want to live in a country where everyone cheats the tax system- Do you?
It simply would not work, as you can see it's not working now when only a select few elites cheat the system. The average American cannot afford to hire hundreds of tax specialists that dig deep into the tax code to find every possible exemption. Do you feel that is fair? Simplify the tax system and make everyone pay their fair share.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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But I don't want to live in a country where everyone cheats the tax system- Do you?
It simply would not work, as you can see it's not working now when only a select few elites cheat the system. The average American cannot afford to hire hundreds of tax specialists that dig deep into the tax code to find every possible exemption. Do you feel that is fair? Simplify the tax system and make everyone pay their fair share.
That is the problem. No one is 'cheating the tax system'. Corporations (and people like me) are USING the tax system. Don't be upset because you don't use the tax system the way it was designed. I am not talking about 'hiring hundreds of tax professionals'. I am talking about reading a book for an hour per night instead of watching Jersey Shore. The majority of Americans didn't even read a single book last year, much less one on personal financial management. How insane is that?

I do agree that everyone should pay their fair share though, fair would be a flat consumption tax on individuals with no income tax and no corporate tax.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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That is the problem. No one is 'cheating the tax system'. Corporations (and people like me) are USING the tax system. Don't be upset because you don't use the tax system the way it was designed. I am not talking about 'hiring hundreds of tax professionals'. I am talking about reading a book for an hour per night instead of watching Jersey Shore. The majority of Americans didn't even read a single book last year, much less one on personal financial management. How insane is that?

I do agree that everyone should pay their fair share though, fair would be a flat percentage on all earned income including capital gains and investments with no deductions.
Well that I can agree with. There needs to be more personal liability all around, including corporations. How would a flat consumption tax work and how could it eliminate income and corporate tax?
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Violent re-volution is a non-starter...The powers that be would really enjoy putting down the rebels and killing them for sport - If you want a revloution it has to take place in the mind - first thing get rid of any fear...second thing..stop worshipping the all mighty dollar that can not save your ass in the end...and lastly...hold your head high and remember that every woman is a queen and ever man is a king - stop groveling - You will surive no matter what - carry yourself with confidence and dignity..no one can take that away...no one!
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